Hmmm... No - not elitist at all. Okay this is my last post in this thread I promise.

I really don't see how anything here was trolling, but you're the boss. I also don't see why this mod shouldn't be looked down upon, given the fact that there is no information about it on the website, all they have to show for it are a couple of model renders, and once again we have some overused theme that will inevitably lead to tactical combat in an urban environment with counterstrike weapons, with a focus on realism. I mean Orph's post was making fun of their tired and overused theme, and the first thing they do instead of trying to explain or differentiate themselves from all the other mods they start calling people assholes and such. Why exactly would we want a forum that fawns over whatever bulls**t mod comes around the bend?

well I'll be damned, trolling doesn't sound nothing like the word would seem..

and i am sorry that sometimes i slip into admin mode, but dammit, it was my name being dragged through the mud.

if, by some stretch of the definition my joke was trolling, i appologise... but honestly, making me feel bad enough to have to say i am sorry is a bit OTT.

lep, you need to make up your mind, either its mature, or childish, i cannot do both.

all i can say is, in times past this thread would have been locked already due to poorly thought out replies, and innuendo's. this thread went better than could have been expected, had timely intervention not occurred when it had.

most, if not all the replies were positive, yes they had some negative content, but dammit, even when discussing tumors one cannot be all rosy about the diagnosis. its expecting a bit to much to handle every new member with kids gloves, especially when they take the first poke at someone.

its also expected that a certain amount of defensiveness will occur, after all we have known each other for years. i fully expect that each of us can cope, and defend ourselves if need be, but most times it speaks 10 times clearer if others do it instead.

lep, i know you mean well, i know that you must take a stand, and yes it speaks mounds that you are defending the new member, but sometimes its best to let them swim or sink.

i will add, that if my term "Master Critiquer" is considered by majority to be an elitist title, i will lose it in a second.

most of you know, i tack on the title master off handedly to many people, because i truly feel they deserve a tiny bit of recognition.. fishy-master modeler, lep-master webmaster, gollum-master mod programmer, KFS- lucky son-of-a-bitch-level-designer-master

as i said, i apologize if my joke started all this, but i shouldn't HAVE TO

honestly, i think these two dug a hole, its up to them to decide if its to big a hole to fill, or move on.

another thing you need to consider lep, you are never going to dissuade us from uniting against a perceived threat.. as you said earlier today, learn from your mistakes.

/ 2 cents.

In that case I better reply before its locked. Hello!

? quoting TwoKnives

Actually Doc, you were one of the most pleasant newbies I've come across here.

I would have to second that thought......

also, i think perhaps, well maybe we should just allow this thread to die before someone begins burning flags in effigy, or worse, someone accuses someone of doing so.

i have detected a certain amount of hostility, i have voiced my concern of it as well, but i must say i detected little or none in this thread. all i really detect is a s**t load of false guilt, none of us should be shamed into saying sorry, or even inquiring that they may have crossed some line.

HL2 is out, the boredom should dissipate IF ITS ALLOWED TO!!!

no one was wrong enough to be made to feel guilty, even the new guys.

and doc, *wipes sudden increase of eye moisture* thanx.. it means more than you know.