omfg Gabe stole my grass?!?!
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Re: omfg Gabe stole my grass?!?!
Posted by Jinx on Wed Nov 24th at 3:06pm 2004


Dunno how many of you remember, but a couple years ago I was tinkering around with ways of making 'grass' (similar to UT2k3) in Half-Life. The way I came up with was to use a bunch of fixed-axis sprites. While I did make a couple demo maps, due to HL1's entity limitations and trouble finding textures I never got it working to satisfaction.

Enter Half-Life 2. Have you looked at the grass when you walk through it? Most of it is clearly just a bunch of fixed-axis sprites!

I'm not really saying Gabe stole my idea. I'm just saying I'm gosh-darned brilliant. That's all!





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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Nov 24th at 3:08pm 2004


? quoting Jinx

I'm not really saying Gabe stole my idea. I'm just saying I'm gosh-darned brilliant. That's all!

just goes to show you, great minds do think alike.... and so apparently, does yours.

/runs

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Posted by pepper on Wed Nov 24th at 3:18pm 2004


i would go after him and force him to mow your grass!
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Posted by fraggard on Wed Nov 24th at 3:21pm 2004


Quick! Steal it back!



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Nov 24th at 3:29pm 2004


? quoting fraggard
Quick! Steal it back!

my luck, steam would have some way of knowing and i'd lose my account..

somehow losing it over a grass sprite would be just to expensive

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Posted by Spartan on Wed Nov 24th at 3:42pm 2004


They are also doing the grass thing in Unreal 3. Go to the Unreal 3 engine website and look at the pic of the outdoor area with all the grass. You can see that it is a bunch of sprites. Clever idea Jinx.



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Posted by Captain P on Wed Nov 24th at 4:37pm 2004


I can remember this trick from Tomb Raider. Number 1 actually...

Nevertheless an effective method.
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Posted by Vassago5kft on Wed Nov 24th at 6:35pm 2004


Yea I was going to say, they've been doing this for years....
Nothing new about it. Actually, I'm not sure how else you WOULD do grass. You'd be smokin' CRACK if you tried making it 3d


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Posted by BlisTer on Wed Nov 24th at 6:58pm 2004


dont worry, we still love u for your fog (well i do atleast ) [addsig]



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Posted by Jezpuh on Wed Nov 24th at 7:30pm 2004


Sue him so you can get a cut of all the money they're making with hl2.
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Posted by Andrei on Wed Nov 24th at 8:35pm 2004


I've seen the same grass-sprite concept in many other hl1 mods ("they hunger" , for example). Guess " brilliant minds think alike " . [addsig]



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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Wed Nov 24th at 8:47pm 2004


? quoting Spartan 34
They are also doing the grass thing in Unreal 3. Go to the Unreal 3 engine website and look at the pic of the outdoor area with all the grass. You can see that it is a bunch of sprites. Clever idea Jinx.


That, and most unreal foliage, isn't actually a sprite, but double-sided polys on a model. I imagine the HL2 stuff is actually a model as well rather than icky sprites. And people have been doing the flat polys on models for grass/trees/foliage/shrubberies about as long as we've had alpha channels available in textures.

Did you invent that Jinx, eh? EH? EH??????

Sorry, just had to rain on your parade. Except... ooh, sorry, that's not rain. bwuahahaha... [addsig]




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Posted by $loth on Wed Nov 24th at 9:07pm 2004


? quoting KungFuSquirrel
? quoting Spartan 34
They are also doing the grass thing in Unreal 3. Go to the Unreal 3 engine website and look at the pic of the outdoor area with all the grass. You can see that it is a bunch of sprites. Clever idea Jinx.


That, and most unreal foliage, isn't actually a sprite, but double-sided polys on a model. I imagine the HL2 stuff is actually a model as well rather than icky sprites. And people have been doing the flat polys on models for grass/trees/foliage/shrubberies about as long as we've had alpha channels available in textures.

Did you invent that Jinx, eh? EH? EH??????

Sorry, just had to rain on your parade. Except... ooh, sorry, that's not rain. bwuahahaha...

Jez you knwo so much! double sided plys? Alpha channels!!!?

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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Nov 24th at 9:13pm 2004


? quoting KungFuSquirrel

Sorry, just had to rain on your parade. Except... ooh, sorry, that's not rain. bwuahahaha...

eewww, tree rat pee.. yucky.

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Posted by fishy on Wed Nov 24th at 9:13pm 2004


from what i made of some stuff i read, the grass is some sort of prop mesh that you can tie to a texture, with properties for how much of it will be generated, how randomly, what size etc. i think there are other meshes that work the same for rocks, and other types of terrain.

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Posted by Forceflow on Wed Nov 24th at 9:19pm 2004


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Sorry, just had to rain on your parade. Except... ooh, sorry, that's not rain. bwuahahaha...


... I don't want to know.
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Posted by Captain P on Wed Nov 24th at 10:40pm 2004


? quote:
from what i made of some stuff i read, the grass is some sort of prop mesh that you can tie to a texture, with properties for how much of it will be generated, how randomly, what size etc. i think there are other meshes that work the same for rocks, and other types of terrain.



Procedurally placed stuff, yeah. Heard about that too.

As for sprites or models, aren't sprites just two triangular polygons too? On engine levels?
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Posted by Leperous on Thu Nov 25th at 1:54am 2004


Yeah, well, I suggested they make OP4 into a free DM mod. Look how well that worked



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Nov 25th at 2:06am 2004


? quoting Leperous
Yeah, well, I suggested they make OP4 into a free DM mod. Look how well that worked

i'll tell'ya what, if another mod comes along thats as good as OP4 is, i am doing everything i can to not let it fizzle out.

i loved OP4, but couldn't get anyone to frag it, or map for it either

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Posted by Gwil on Thu Nov 25th at 2:25am 2004


If only you were a Eurpean - me and Lep used to play OP4CTF religiously, quite frankly because it was the greatest DM/Team game on earth Nothing comes close to unscoped rifle kills and barnacle gymnastics, not at all

And those dodgy ass pickups. Classic game.

I await OP4CTF:S eagerly ( ! )


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