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Posted by Jinx on Sat Nov 27th at 5:08am 2004

In my nightmares, I already envision maps with prefab barrels all over. Barrel factories if you will. Barrel storage facilities. With all manner of barrel-kind, of course: Small barrels. Big barrels. Rolling barrels. Exploding barrels. Grey barrels. Purple barrels. Maybe even- goodness forbid- boy and girl barrels.

Yes, they have more polies than crates. But they are still unimaginative cop-outs when it comes to cover and detail. And, contrary to what Half-Life 2 may want us to believe, they are not all over the f**king place. I don't even remember the last time I actually saw a barrel in real-life that wasn't an orange construction barrel. And I certainly haven't noticed explosive barrels just laying around the street all over the place.

Let's nip this one in the bud, folks:

Just say 'no' to barrels.





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Posted by Spartan on Sat Nov 27th at 5:10am 2004

Friends don't let friends do barrels.



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Posted by Vash on Sat Nov 27th at 5:19am 2004

Barrels killed my father and raped my mother.
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Posted by Spartan on Sat Nov 27th at 5:22am 2004

Barrels caused 30,000 mapping related deaths last year, but you can help to put a stop to it. Call 1-800-anti-barrel for more information.



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Posted by G.Ballblue on Sat Nov 27th at 5:24am 2004

Turn on the lights!! Turn up the heat!!

/me proposes for a new barrel smiley!

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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Nov 27th at 5:25am 2004

Never really thought about barrels until now. there sure are a lot of explosive barrels lying around the streets arent there? Maybe the Combine is very careless? yes? [addsig]



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Posted by Vash on Sat Nov 27th at 5:25am 2004

? quoting G.Ballblue
/me proposes for a new barrel smiley!


Sir, that is a crate.
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Posted by Crono on Sat Nov 27th at 5:29am 2004

I think they actually took the crate level of HL1 cut in half and split it with the barrels. [addsig]



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Posted by Cash Car Star on Sat Nov 27th at 6:57am 2004

Someone seriously needs to use the new engine to make a kicking Crate Factory.





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Posted by Dred_furst on Sat Nov 27th at 9:16am 2004

very good idea!
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Posted by Andrei on Sat Nov 27th at 10:09am 2004

Barrels and pipes - the best ways of adding detail to your map .

BTW, anyone remember "Worlds Collide" from OPFOR (hate that chapter! hate it hate it hate it hate it!)? Crate heaven.

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Posted by fraggard on Sat Nov 27th at 10:10am 2004

THE KING IS DEAD. LONG LIVE THE KING.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Nov 27th at 10:14am 2004

i see barrels every day, course i travel a lot.

but i imagine barrels are regional, as in.. industrial areas.

Houston for example, has millions of them, Chicago has quite a few as well. rural areas use them to burn refuse and as storage for feed. suburban areas would prolly not see many as the mindset is "barrels=poor" so you would never see them just there for no reason. garages always have them to store used oil. and lets not forget the orange roadway barrel.. literally hundreds of millions of those puppies

i do however see the same image, killboxes the size of Kansas with barrels and that silly hurling gun as the primary weapon those silly map makers would prefer.

someone once said that their fear was a killbox with a drivable car.. think about it, making a car is far and away above the level of smarts someone would be to release a killbox in the first place, so any maps with a drivable care prolly won't be killboxes.. unless its released by a savant

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Posted by wil5on on Sat Nov 27th at 11:44am 2004

? quoting Jinx
Small barrels. Big barrels. Rolling barrels. Exploding barrels. Grey barrels. Purple barrels. Maybe even- goodness forbid- boy and girl barrels.

YOU FORGOT RUSTY BARRELS

Yeah, barrels have been slowly taking over for some time now. I've just been playing HL (trying to finally beat it on difficult) and theres tons of barrels, most notably in We've Got Hostiles and the start of Surface Tension. There are also some explosive barrels throughout Power Up, and a bunch of rusties near the end of Apprehension (before the first assassin battle).

Crates, however, are far more common. Theres your standard , but theres the 32, 48, and 64 sizes, the greentop (in 64 and 48), the two-stack greentop (more likely to have an item than other types, and breaks easier), the wet crate (all sizes), the explosive crate, blue and yellow machine crates, and lets not forget the 256x192x192 "big crate". Theres more, but I'm sure youve already been scared enough by my immense knowledge of generic visblocking objects

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Posted by pepper on Sat Nov 27th at 12:03pm 2004

thanks for sharing you crate knowledge wiht us but you forgot one vital crate, the machine crate, comes in all sorts of sizes and is indistructeble, a vital cover crate.
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Posted by Junkyard God on Sat Nov 27th at 12:09pm 2004

barrels:
are pretty cool actualy, just not in the wrong places, make barrels in storage rooms, fuel dumps etc, but not.... citys , castles or deserts or something , just put 'em in the right places and they'll look nice, and no more that 3 barrels a room exept if it's a fuel storage where it's obvious that there are barrles in great numbers,

crates:
same goes here , but they can be put in more places and so, they get used more becouse lot's of mappers are to lazy to make their own litle blocks and stuff like that,

prefab crates:
evil, make your own crates with you own litle twist to them, this way you won't find exactly the same crates everywhere.

make crates that are supposed to be huge; smal etc. then you have more original crates. , make opened crates, broken crates crates that are on their side if the texture allows that.

prefab barrles.
inportant, mose home made barrels look weird becouse thay always are just to big or to small , and realy there are not alot of huge or small oil drum around i think.
just put exiting new textures on them.

this is what it think about crates and barrles.
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Posted by scary_jeff on Sat Nov 27th at 12:37pm 2004

I don't see what the fuss is about. What is your amazing new 'cover' idea? I mean, they have all kinds of furniture, crates, and barrels. What other similar sized objects even exist?



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Posted by Spartan on Sat Nov 27th at 3:39pm 2004

When barrels are on a bagel you can have barrels anytime.



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Posted by Knare on Sat Nov 27th at 3:58pm 2004

what about barrels with beer inside?
Or better yet kegs? [addsig]



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Posted by Junkyard God on Sat Nov 27th at 5:29pm 2004

beer kegs are different looking, if you use the correct texture it would look good, if ou use a normal texture, it's "just another barrel"



Other forms of cover:
bushes
hills
walls*
vehicles% (inside, forklift, truck trailers etc. outside cars, trucks, vans)
roof support beams*
computers%
shelves*

the ones with * can all be used in any crate enviroment
the ones with % inside
the others outside

i think that if you uses these objects the number of "hey theres that crate from black mesa" ideas will drop rapidly

note:
shelves and walls and computers can be made customly, the prefabs are overused i think.
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