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Posted by Spartan on Tue Dec 7th at 10:07pm 2004

Today is the anniversary of the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941. Just thought that you should know. We can't forget about the people who lost their lives. [addsig]



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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Tue Dec 7th at 10:09pm 2004

? quote:
We can't forget about the people who lost their lives.


It seems I did.
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Posted by Spartan on Tue Dec 7th at 10:11pm 2004

? quoting Kage_Prototype

? quote:
We can't forget about the people who lost their lives.


It seems I did.

That's exactly why I wrote this thread.

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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Tue Dec 7th at 10:23pm 2004

Well, obviously.
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Posted by Campaignjunkie on Tue Dec 7th at 10:26pm 2004

I also forgot, unfortunately. So much for the infamy!
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Posted by Spartan on Tue Dec 7th at 10:34pm 2004

Geez people. C'mon. [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Dec 7th at 10:43pm 2004

It's one thing to know the historical dates: December-7, June-6 etc. It's Entirely another to notice todays date and make the connection. I always thought it would bee cool to have your birthday on June 6th [addsig]



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Posted by satchmo on Tue Dec 7th at 11:22pm 2004

However, I bet Americans will find it difficult to forget 9/11, even decades from now. Yes, Dec 7th was significant, but people all over the world feel less safe after 9/11, and the (false) sense of security was never the same after that.

Dec 7th affected the American military pride, but it did not occur on mainland U.S. The lives lost are primarily military personels. 9/11 was the first large-scale attack on American mainland that killed *civilians*--ordinary people who had nothing to do with the political struggle of Palestine or the Muslim faith. That makes Sept 11th stands out, and the American psyche is disturbed forever.
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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Dec 7th at 11:24pm 2004

this morning i got so pissed, someone actually said the words "Happy Pearl Harbor Day"

as if it were a good thing or something. there is nothing happy about it at all, it is a time to mourn possibly, or to even ignore it completely, but you do not wish someone a happy day.

the guy was on the FM radio, and sounded about 20ish, so i am assuming he was some asswipe who has not the foggiest notion of patriotism, or even allegiance, he is most likely one of those creepy people who think if they purchase a flag on memorial day, that they have done their civic duty or some s**t.

needless to say, i didn't even know the fool, and i wanted to slap him silly.

/ rant.

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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Dec 7th at 11:40pm 2004

yeah, ive always had a problem with people taking days like these so lightly...but im not going to expell all the demons tonight.....

Dr Brasso...





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Posted by Spartan on Tue Dec 7th at 11:47pm 2004

? quoting Dr Brasso
yeah, ive always had a problem with people taking days like these so lightly...but im not going to expell all the demons tonight.....

Dr Brasso...

Oh yes you are. Don't think your getting away that easily.

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Posted by omegaslayer on Wed Dec 8th at 4:34am 2004

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However, I bet Americans will find it difficult to forget 9/11, even decades from now. Yes, Dec 7th was significant, but people all over the world feel less safe after 9/11, and the (false) sense of security was never the same after that.

Dec 7th affected the American military pride, but it did not occur on mainland U.S. The lives lost are primarily military personels. 9/11 was the first large-scale attack on American mainland that killed *civilians*--ordinary people who had nothing to do with the political struggle of Palestine or the Muslim faith. That makes Sept 11th stands out, and the American psyche is disturbed forever.


Its hard for this generation to forget 9-11 because it happened in our life time and in a sence it hapened closer (In the sence that pearl Harbor was in Hawaii and 9-11 took place in New York).
I can safely say that I remembered it, it was on my first job aniversery, not to say thats a god thing.
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Posted by Jinx on Wed Dec 8th at 4:55am 2004

I'd like to forget 9/11 if the media and the Bush admin would shut the f**k up about it.



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Posted by Mephs on Wed Dec 8th at 5:36am 2004

Orph said about "Happy Pearl harbour day" , how many years till "Happy 9/11"? In other words, how long does it take for a battle or an atrocity to become a holiday and nothing else? Till those who were there all die? Or are nearly all dead? It sounds harsh and it is; how many holidays or occasions where there has been a massive deathtoll do people celebrate without a thought?. In the UK they still have their Poppy day for the dead. When those who participated die, there will only be room for a celebration.

Personally, if, in my time I ever hear "Happy Decommisioning of the IRA" day I'll go mental. As a few of you guys from IRC know my families current price for this peace process, if I hear of a manipulation of THAT day, or even a twinge of happy "I Ran Away Photograph Day" which if the other side get their way, it will be, I will go mad too.

Remember the damn dead, not the incident, not what happened after it, nor the celebrations the year after that.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Dec 8th at 6:40am 2004

? quoting Orpheus
this morning i got so pissed, someone actually said the words "Happy Pearl Harbor Day"

as if it were a good thing or something. there is nothing happy about it at all, it is a time to mourn possibly, or to even ignore it completely, but you do not wish someone a happy day.

the guy was on the FM radio, and sounded about 20ish, so i am assuming he was some asswipe who has not the foggiest notion of patriotism, or even allegiance, he is most likely one of those creepy people who think if they purchase a flag on memorial day, that they have done their civic duty or some s**t.

needless to say, i didn't even know the fool, and i wanted to slap him silly.

/ rant.

You know what.. I like you. I think i have agreed with everything i have read that you have said so far. (I'm from the same area as you too. Southern MO.)

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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Dec 8th at 6:41am 2004

oh yeah, and i am glad that the IRA is decommisioning, too. Sometimes they really messed stuff up. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Dec 8th at 9:28am 2004

? quoting Nickelplate

You know what.. I like you. I think i have agreed with everything i have read that you have said so far. (I'm from the same area as you too. Southern MO.)

i would be careful, people who like me, don't fare well

seriously though, you have not impressed at least one person, cause they already rated you a "1" .. whom have you made friends with lately?

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Posted by Leperous on Wed Dec 8th at 12:04pm 2004

? quoting Nickelplate
oh yeah, and i am glad that the IRA is decommisioning, too. Sometimes they really messed stuff up.

Well at least this "war on terror" is helping sort N.Ireland out! One of the funniest interviews I've ever heard was to Jack Straw, asking him about terrorism (Ken Bigley, I think?) and he said the British government would never negotiate with terrorists. Then the interviewer pointed out that they're currently negotiating with IRA terrorists who've killed people themselves in the past, and he went into politician-meltdown "NONONO! That's a stupid question! Go away!"...





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Posted by wil5on on Wed Dec 8th at 1:17pm 2004

I havent done something like this in awhile... but the discussion has been terribly one-sided.

Why should we commemorate these anniversaries? People died, yes, but people die every day. How can people "remember" these dead people, if they didnt even know them?

Orph, you said something about patriotism and alleigance. These concepts really dont have that much relevance outside of foxholes as far as I can see. The people who died at Pearl Harbor lived in the same country as you, it doesnt mean you should hold them in higher regard than anyone else.

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Posted by Spartan on Wed Dec 8th at 7:26pm 2004

? quoting wil5on
The people who died at Pearl Harbor lived in the same country as you, it doesnt mean you should hold them in higher regard than anyone else.

Know one is doing that. We can't set aside everyday to remember everyone who has died. The point of remember the anniversary of events such as Pearl Harbor, 9/11, the end of WWII in Europe and the Pacific is to remind people that people are constantly dieing everyday to protect freedom and ideas. Look out how many people forgot that Pearl Harbor was bombed on Dec 7. I'm not trying to say that you have to remember the date of every important even but it is a good thing to remember. People from everycountry have given their lives to protect an idea that they hold close to them and I think that when something as devasting as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 happens it is our duty to remember those that have gone before us.

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