Indian Ocean Tsunami
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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Dec 31st at 8:04pm 2004


i only have 2 things to say at this point.

1) i am so glad to hear that Master Fragman is OK.. i was quite worried when i heard the location of this mishap.

2) i am so disappointed in the world for all the crying over the USA's seemingly lack of support. when it comes to blame, everyone points the finger here. it doesn't seem to matter what the subject matter is.. i am so surprised that someone didn't actually blame the US for the earthquake.

i wish just once that the f**king world would worry, without the need or bother to point fingers.

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Posted by fraggard on Sat Jan 1st at 10:57am 2005


I believe most of the finger pointing is because the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had advance warning of the Tsunami (USAToday.com had an article). But since Sri Lanka, Indonesia, India, etc were not members of an international disaster response scheme, there were no fixed methods for calling in national alerts and starting evacuation quickly. So the information never reached anyone. Basically, the entire disaster was completely preventable except at the immediate epicentre.

Our own administration failed as well. From the time the Andamans were hit, till the time the mainland was hit, there was a 1 hour gap. Alert systems went up, but the alerts went to the wrong people. The local emergency teams did not have ways to contact members of the new administration (our govt changed in 2004, the new contacts weren't maintained).

All this was preventable, but there is no use now. All anyone can do is to try their best to prevent future accidents like this. I feel it's no use blaming anyone. Such a disaster was unexpected and considering the state our economy is in, I doubt much could have been done even if any emergency systems were in. It's totally pointless to claim that the US is not being supportive enough.

Lots of people here share my views. In fact, I haven't heard of any of the people in the affected areas blaming the US for a lack of aid material.

I can understand why people are saying this though. The US administration has been meddling constantly in Indo-Pak affairs, and has recently supplied Pakistan with some heavy weaponry. This has been a very sensitive issue of late. And then when the tsunami hit, the official US response was pretty weak. It took a while for any major funding to come in. Complaints were inevitable. And the US foreign policy in this region has not exactly been helpful.

Note: I have no anti-Pak bias whatsoever. Might be tough to believe coming from an Indian, but it's true.





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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 1st at 1:12pm 2005


bottomline, i trust you frag, so i believe you.

i listened to the reports via NPR radio over my last run, and the complaints i heard were not shocking, but continuous. i got so damned tired of hearing how we were this or that. the US isn't Mr. Popular for sure, but humanitarian aide has always been our trademark signature.

anywho's, i am just happy you are safe. that may sound a bit self centered cause so many died, but i know you, not them. i feel for them, but care for you.

/ends mushy stuff.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Sat Jan 1st at 2:55pm 2005


The Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, from the sound of it, did all it could - it sounded like they had to relay calls through Australia and it wasn't until after the major damage occurred that people from Sri Lanka and a couple other countries contacted them. Even then, it is the US National OAA, and unfortunately they just aren't equipped to deal with disasters much outside of the Atlantic and Pacific - they had two hours warning, but even then they had to make multiple calls changing and upgrading the response status and by the time they got a full grasp on what was happening it was too late. This should definitely bring to light that there's a need for some much improved coverage worldwide.

The original US response was pretty pathetic, but even if this $350 million is just for the sake of saving face, does it really matter? It's still a hell of a lot more help to people who need it. There's some shifty people trying to make themselves look good, but unfortunately this isn't a good time to spend a lot of time calling them on it - that aid is needed, regardless of where it comes from and why.

fraggard: I believe you too. Thought hadn't even crossed my mind, to be honest. [addsig]




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jan 1st at 3:31pm 2005


they're predicting earthquakes now? I don't follow.
I don't like the fact that lots of ppl died, it makes me sad. But, There are other reasons that the US could have donated a smaller amunt initially and then a larger amount. As it turns out, Senate must be called into session before any funds can be appropriated for anything, The initial $35mil appropriated because reports were that 7,000 people were dead, that is back when we thought the death toll was very much smaller than it was. When we realized the full extent of the damage, there was a session called in the appropriations commitee and more money was sent. Our news here in the US is just s**t, so most americans are led to beleive that someone is trying o cover up and make themselves look better, that's not it at all. [addsig]




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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Sat Jan 1st at 3:50pm 2005


? quote:
they're predicting earthquakes now? I don't follow.


Well, kinda.

There's still very little that allows earthquake prediction, but certain movements can give hints that something bigger is on the way. In this case, the prediction (or lack thereof) was not of the earthquake, but the resulting tsunami. The earthquake was registered immediately by seismic sensors, and that gave warning to a potential tsunami, though the NOAA's equipment and coverage in the area didn't give them enough information to fully grasp what was about to happen.

Usually it takes hours for the waves to hit shore after an undersea earthquake. [addsig]




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jan 1st at 4:04pm 2005


oh. I sure didnt think they could predict them, but it would sure be nice if they could [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 1st at 4:18pm 2005


? quoting Nickelplate
oh. I sure didnt think they could predict them, but it would sure be nice if they could

why? you're no where near "New Madrid" so you'll never feel it next time it goes

/runs

*trivia time*

New Madrid suffered the biggest earth quake in recorded history in the USA. the devastation was monumental, but fortunately it is located in what is still a sparsely populated region of the US.

look it up, it is a fascinating read.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Sat Jan 1st at 4:36pm 2005


There was actually a small earthquake in Illinois (felt all the way up here to Madison and beyond, though I didn't personally feel it) not long after I moved up here. I moved up the day a tornado hit and then there was this earthquake the next monday (my birthday, no less) so I was convinced I had brought death and destruction to Wisconsin. There was one felt back in Nebraska like a week later. I was scared. :X [addsig]



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Re: Indian Ocean Tsunami
Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jan 1st at 4:46pm 2005


? quoting Orpheus
? quoting Nickelplate
oh. I sure didnt think they could predict them, but it would sure be nice if they could

why? you're no where near "New Madrid" so you'll never feel it next time it goes

/runs

*trivia time*

New Madrid suffered the biggest earth quake in recorded history in the USA. the devastation was monumental, but fortunately it is located in what is still a sparsely populated region of the US.

look it up, it is a fascinating read.

I know about the new madrid fault. I don't get what you're3 trying to say. ???

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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 1st at 4:48pm 2005


? quoting Nickelplate

I know about the new madrid fault. I don't get what you're3 trying to say. ???

thats OK, being from Missouri I wouldn't expect anything more

/runs south

[addsig]





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