This had me in stitches by the way
you know, i don't mind arguing myself, but i get real uncomfortable when i detect tensions rising amongst my fellow members. i feel a compulsion to post something silly to break the mood.
anywho's i am glad you liked it 
Jahzel, I decided to respond to a few comments because my ego is worried about my delay in eviscerating you. You clearly are a nut who exists solely to make others feel more comfortable with their lives, knowing they can always point to a guy that's more off the deep end.
Taking away the Constitution and the right to bare arms to protect yourselves and your families (already in the anti-terror proposals)
Fat chance of this ever happening. You realize the current administration just sat on a bill that had banned automatic weaponry, letting it expire without renewal? That counts more than some slip-of-the-tongue halftruth to me, any day.
Using Electronic Voting a means to manipulate voting figures. There has been a general outrage over voting fraud and it is a wonder the US didnt do exactly what the Ukarainians did.
Oh, you mean poison one of the candidates? The reason we have electronic voting is simple: no one wants to pay the workers required to count them by hand.
There. I could try harder to chastise and refute you, but it would be like writing a focused literary criticism of Encyclopedia Brittanica.
1. Isolated quotes are a pretty stupid form of evidence. I could probably give you isolated quotes from all the same people that would categorically deny most of those positions. After all, they are politicians. Sadly, I'm not devoted enough to this discussion to go to the effort.
2. Practically all of these have, obvious, distinctly non-sinister interpretations. And for those that seem truly whacked, I can easily write them off as either nutty people, or simply statements out of context. For instance, why is it odd that Bill Clinton and Janet Reno were rabid anti-gun agitators? They are liberals. get over it.
3. Why is a New World Order a bad thing? I suppose it would be if it were a truly a police state, but I don't think that will happen. Eventually there will be a planetary government, but it will come in the fullness of time, long after I am dead most likely. There are many changes that will need to occur before that can happen, such as the global equalization of living standards etc.
I don't even know why I'm bothering to continue this "conversation"
No, I dont think I'll bother anymore trying to inform you of something so plainly obvious. Instead, I shall sit and watch this world and the people who think they are living ordinay lives turn to sh*t. I shall no longer attempt to free people from this mind prison.
Afterall, why should I? What business do I have saving the likes of us? We're a virus with shoes, we deserve everything we get. We deserve to suffer the consequences of our own ignorance.
I'm just gonna watch them piss all over us - becaus that's what they're doing by the way. At least I know one thing; I tried to help, but failed to get through the eggshell that is human ignorance.
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Revolutions don't start in mapping forums! That's a rather half assed attempt at revealing 'the truth' to the world.
That's Bill Hicks. 
While I don't agree with the kind of evidence and fantastic ideas of weather machines and time travel, I do generally agree with the idea of people being shat upon from a great height and being to lazy and content with their lives to notice.
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Yes we certainly have tougher gun control laws, but those are definitely seen as good things over here (and actually work) 
Do we have fewer liberties? Perhaps the government and police do have more power than over there, but I don't think we have the same strange sense of "freedom" that perhaps some Americans do, and as long as someone else isn't getting in the way of what we want to do or trampling on us (*cough*stupid EU rules*cough*) then we're not terribly bothered!
Yeah, that basically it.
You're right; revolutions don't sart on mapping forums. Would be good though, I suppose it's one way of stopping these creatures... Well, maybe not eh.
Yeah it is Bill, I think he sums up the state of this world we live in pretty well.
[addsig]"How far up your ass does this guy's d*ck have to be to realise he's f**king you!" - Bill Hicks talking about lying fascist Regan.
ya know, ive been eyeballing this thread for a bit now, laughing, protesting, bellyaching, force-feeding premature and obviously unsubstantiated ....umm....(ill call it rhetoric... ) sounding just like the rad militant hipsters of the mid and late sixties...deja vu.....
cracks me up.....mr jahzel should be a guinea pig....
im looking at it this way to avoid being drawn into a rather pointless defense of my country......
we are in a state of movement in this country, and its in the reactionary stage of post 9-11....it rocked and awakened us more than we probably even know yet.....itll settle...always does.....history repeats, and its unavoidable.....the groundswell of religious beliefs is simply another facet of trying to get through the day....everyone has their crutch, its human nature.....
lep, religion explains away and satiates the unexplainable "why would God let these people die?"....just like dope and alchohol ease the days pains for millions.....in general, without really trying to sound pessimistic, "life sucks, then you die, whatever it takes to get through the day..."
and this should be read and deciphered in a logical, scientific, and common sense mode.....applying to most all facets of life.....
/ends 2 cent rant here.....keeping it lite
Dr Brasso...
Do you know what a black hole actually is?what pepper is saying is that if he traveled 100 lightyears away at faster than the speed of light, that he would actually SEE 1905. this is feasible as everything we see is actually just reflected light. So the light that reflected off of events in 1905 would be just arriving at the place he went to. It's the same principle as "the light we see from a star is actually millions of years old, because it took so long to travel here."
Pepper, good job.
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Pepper, good job.
No I think we are all guinea pigs in this system.
Most people are these things -->
And some aim their entire lives towards consumerism and keeping up with the latest fashion trends.
[EDIT] One more thing, has anyone here ever noticed how it is 'un-cool' these days to expand your intelligence level to above I'm A Celebrety Get Me Out Of Here?
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PEPPER said that that was traveling in time, i didn't. I think it's just SEEING back in time. cause it is. But what you are seeing is not CURRENTLY happening in this instance.
What you have just met is my impeccable logic comprehensive abilities.
[addsig]Yes we certainly have tougher gun control laws, but those are definitely seen as good things over here (and actually work) Do we have fewer liberties? Perhaps the government and police do have more power than over there, but I don't think we have the same strange sense of "freedom" that perhaps some Americans do, and as long as someone else isn't getting in the way of what we want to do or trampling on us (*cough*stupid EU rules*cough*) then we're not terribly bothered!
Ignoring that bit of swill about time travel... (it's even worse than suggesting that we can cause earthquakes)
The civil liberty I particularly refer to, Lep, is the freedom of the press. I don't know specifically about England, but I know that countries like Germany have official censorship boards. You might see it as harmless that they ban references to Nazism, but to an American that looks pretty draconian. After all, we don't ban confederate flags.
I presume there are other instances where personal liberties are further curtailed (other than the right to bear arms).
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I think you've pointed out a fundamental difference of outlook between Americans and Europeans Gwil. To most Americans, I think civil liberties are THE most important tenant of our political system. That is why gun laws are such a sticky issue. It's not because the majority of us love guns, it's the principle of the thing.
I don't own a gun. I don't ever plan to own one. Nevertheless, I like the idea that I can go buy one should I ever "need" to. You can certainly point out that I will likely never "need" one. You'd even be right. However, I can't get over the thought that maybe the very reason that I don't need one lies in the fact that they are available. I expect that is about as logically sane as the stuff Jahzel spouts, but its not something I can quite shake.
So people are worried that the EU will give too many rights to criminals? What rights do criminals have already? I'm sort of interested to see how they currently compare to ours.
[addsig]i agree with tracers interpretation of the situation, but disagree on it in reality.
people in the USA, tend to imagine rights they do not in reality have. its hard to imagine, but people do not have the right to the piece of roadway you currently are using, but people often feel its theres and wonder why you won't "move" out of it so they can use it.
IE people getting onto the interstate are under the impression that the person already there MUST move over and allow them entry. this is false, there is no law, not rights that say this is so. it is a courtesy, but no right.
people falsely believe if they want to go faster than you, they can flash their headlights and it means "move aside".. wrong again. there is no law, nor rights. it does however sometimes state "slower traffic keep right" but this is traffic slower than the posted limit, NOT slower than YOU.
people do not understand that right NEVER overlap.. you cannot impose your rights onto another.
as far as gun laws working or not, its highly debatable, with heated opinions on both sides. i own no guns, but would buy one if told i could not do so by law. its "principal" and i will not have those trampled upon.
[addsig]i dub this topic thread "unofficially derailed".....sorry Lep old sod... 
Doc B...
