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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 6th at 5:41pm 2005

? quoting Dr Brasso
i dub this topic thread "unofficially derailed".....sorry Lep old sod...

Doc B...

*ahem*

yeah, right.. god did it!

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Posted by Dr Brasso on Thu Jan 6th at 5:45pm 2005

ROFL!!!

thou hath been smoted....er...smited...er....wtf is that word again??...

Doc B...

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Posted by satchmo on Thu Jan 6th at 6:17pm 2005

There was a small earthquake in Long Beach, California this morning. I was still in bed when I felt the tremor. I think it was around 5:30 in the morning. I have this nasty cough that kept me awake almost all night, and I was already awake at that ungodly hour. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jan 6th at 6:21pm 2005

? quoting satchmo
There was a small earthquake in Long Beach, California this morning. I was still in bed when I felt the tremor. I think it was around 5:30 in the morning. I have this nasty cough that kept me awake almost all night, and I was already awake at that ungodly hour.

slept in huh? you lucky dog.

i haven't made it till 5 in 20 years or more.. i was up at 2 this morning, and again around 4.

be glad you can sleep as long as you can

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Posted by Gwil on Thu Jan 6th at 6:25pm 2005

Numerous things Tracer Bullet - but it's not entirely make believe for a criminal these days (lets say, a man who stabbed a pensioner on the street for her bag, as an example) to argue that according to his human rights - he shouldn't be locked in a cell, should be able to travel away after being released from questioning etc etc.

Perhaps not as serious as that, but now it seems the EU has transformed us into something that mirrors the lawsuit culture of America (this isnt meant as a jibe btw anyone ) - but with human rights being the stop gap for people to sue the police for giving them bruising from handcuffs.

The worst thing being, they can actually win these cases as well. Extreme liberalism and imposed bureacracy are causing situations like this to arise far too often...
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Posted by satchmo on Thu Jan 6th at 6:26pm 2005

That's terrible, Orph. Does it interfere with your life? Have you tried taking sleep medications?

I was, however, trying to cough up pieces of my right middle lobe of my lung this morning. It's not the most enjoyable sensation in the world.

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Posted by parakeet on Fri Jan 7th at 2:06am 2005

i hope this isnt off topic but gravity goes the exact speed of light , Light takes years to get here so when we see it its like an old photograph. Black holes are a hyper dense point in space that pulls in all materials by gravity. "dark energy" is antigravity ,
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Posted by Cassius on Fri Jan 7th at 2:23am 2005

? quoting Gwil
Perhaps not as serious as that, but now it seems the EU has transformed us into something that mirrors the lawsuit culture of America (this isnt meant as a jibe btw anyone ) - but with human rights being the stop gap for people to sue the police for giving them bruising from handcuffs.

Trust me: Americans are just as annoyed at our 'litigious society' as you are.





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Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 7th at 4:27am 2005

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i hope this isnt off topic but gravity goes the exact speed of light , Light takes years to get here so when we see it its like an old photograph. Black holes are a hyper dense point in space that pulls in all materials by gravity. "dark energy" is antigravity ,

Gravity is a variable, dependent on velocity and mass (amongst other things). And Earth's gravity doesn't go the speed of light ... Not even close . You've have to "particle accelerate" mass to turn it to energy, then it could go the speed of light (obliterating it in the process).

Tracer can explain this in more detail, I imagine. I've had minimal physics, but I have a general idea how most things work, and you're way off.

Oh and by the way, gravity is acceleration and speed is velocity. Granted one is the derivative of the other, they are in no situation the same.


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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jan 7th at 4:48am 2005

the only thing faster than light, is dark.

when you think about it, dark always arrives first, since its always there before the light arrives.

paradoxically, people think dark is the absence of light, but who's to say that if we were created to see in the dark, then light would be just as invisible to our sight.

i have always wondered, why is there so much more dark, if it is indeed nothing important.

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Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 7th at 5:08am 2005

No one said darkness isn't important, but, darkness doesn't hold energy and can't be measured on its own. You have to measure the amount of light and compare it to the area and such to find the amount of "darkness", since light is made up of rays and such.

Darkness is the absence of light for that reason.
If you're "created" to see in the dark, that just means you have a slight variance in your retinas and you're able to make out objects at lower levels of light. It's hard to explain, but believe me, it's been researched for many years.

Pick up a physics book sometime.

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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jan 7th at 5:17am 2005

no, not lower light levels, i am referring to opposite evolution. you can actually see without light, and cannot see light at all.

you know, i am just thinking out loud, i have no hypothesis for anything i said. i am just thinking.

its just this, every time someone says "nothing can exceed the speed of light" dark always come to my mind. i firmly believe dark moves. if we had the ability to see at 186,000 miles a second, the wave front where light begins would have another dark wave moving aside to let it pass.

anyways, thats how i think it is.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Fri Jan 7th at 5:19am 2005

*pop*


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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jan 7th at 5:20am 2005

cut me some slack,even stupid people think sometimes. :/ [addsig]



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Jan 7th at 5:22am 2005

Light is a physical object (kind of). Dark is a concept that we use to describe the absence of light. The reason why you can't "see" in the "dark" is because there is nothing within your detection range. "dark" isn't really the absence of light. It is the absence of light you can see. There is nearly always something bouncing around that you can't. If you want, I can give a breif description of how your eyes work photochemicaly.

I think what he means by gravity "going the speed of light" is that the force is transmitted at that speed. For example, if you have two masses a certain distance apart, and you move one of them, there will be a change in the gravitational field the other experiences. Now you might imagine that this would enable FTL communication, but the change in the field only propagates at or below the speed of light (I'm not entirely sure about this but it makes sense). The same is true of all forces.

The only theoretically feasible way to achieve "FTL travel" is through a wormhole. That is of course if General Relativity and the Standard Model are correct. I put "FTL travel" in quotes because even then, you aren't moving faster than light, you're just taking a shortcut.

How the hell did we get on this topic anyway? What happened to Tsunamis?

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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jan 7th at 5:28am 2005

? quoting Tracer Bullet

How the hell did we get on this topic anyway? What happened to Tsunamis?

waves of that type travel at what? 3 to 6 hundred miles per hour? you gotta admit, 186,000 per second is a bit more compelling a topic.

anywho's my whole point is, dark "IS" a substance, not one our photo-receptors can utilize, but a substance none the less. and i think that whatever its classification/designation, it moves at least "AS" fast as light does.

/me is done, this level of thinking hurts my noggin.

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Jan 7th at 5:38am 2005

You can consider "dark" to be something if you want. Indeed, electrical engineers and physicists do something similar all the time when they talk about electrons and "holes", but in both cases, there is not physical object behind the concept. However, it can be usefully to think of it as if it were something real. You are perfectly right to conclude that "dark" travels at the speed of light. Think about a Morris code signal someone sends you with a flashlight: it doesn't make any difference weather you count short and long pulses of light, or the spaces between the pulses of "dark" each is equally detectable in its own way. You don't get the message any faster by counting the dark pulses rather than the light.

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Posted by Orpheus on Fri Jan 7th at 5:52am 2005

just once, i would like to have a conversation without the need to resort to "layman's" terms.

reducing the physics of light and black holes to a flashlight beam is degrading.

how about we talk about explosives sometimes. that is a subject i have a working knowledge of. i may have forgotten much of it, but at least i used to know. tis more than flashlight pulses at least. :/

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Jan 7th at 5:57am 2005

Sorry. I like simple analogies. They make everything much more clear, even for me.

I don't know much about explosives other than bits and pieces of the chemical kinetics of detonation propagation. I also know how to make them in many forms (I love chemistry) but sadly I've never had the balls to do it. It must have been fun to use that stuff in the military!

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Posted by Crono on Fri Jan 7th at 6:07am 2005

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Light is a physical object (kind of). Dark is a concept that we use to describe the absence of light. The reason why you can't "see" in the "dark" is because there is nothing within your detection range. "dark" isn't really the absence of light. It is the absence of light you can see. There is nearly always something bouncing around that you can't. If you want, I can give a breif description of how your eyes work photochemicaly.

I think what he means by gravity "going the speed of light" is that the force is transmitted at that speed. For example, if you have two masses a certain distance apart, and you move one of them, there will be a change in the gravitational field the other experiences. Now you might imagine that this would enable FTL communication, but the change in the field only propagates at or below the speed of light (I'm not entirely sure about this but it makes sense). The same is true of all forces.

The only theoretically feasible way to achieve "FTL travel" is through a wormhole. That is of course if General Relativity and the Standard Model are correct. I put "FTL travel" in quotes because even then, you aren't moving faster than light, you're just taking a shortcut.

How the hell did we get on this topic anyway? What happened to Tsunamis?



I must have mis-interpreted what he was trying to say, then.
Not a big deal.

I barely covered non-classical physics though. It was around the time I covered circuits.


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