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Posted by ReNo on Sat Jan 8th at 2:46am 2005

I get that MOST of your post was sarcasm, but the first sentence came across as both honest, and bulls**t. If I've picked up on your intentions wrong then let me know, but how the hell do updates make a company seem proud of their product?
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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 2:51am 2005

Something to do on the holidays: write an operating system (or any software), never release any updates and see how much the users like you. If you don't release updates, it looks you just write something, then don't care enough to follow through with it.

And I think Linux must be Gencore in Tyrian... [addsig]



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Posted by satchmo on Sat Jan 8th at 2:54am 2005

In the not-so-distant future, Microsoft will own all of our first-borns. And all of our kids will have the lastname "Gates". G. W. Bush will sign a business contract with Gates and sell all future Americans to Microsoft to fix Social Security and fill up the budget deficit. [addsig]



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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 2:58am 2005

That's even crazier than what I said (I assume your joking, of course). [addsig]



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Posted by SaintGreg on Sat Jan 8th at 3:45am 2005

foxpup, if the windows "updates" were actual updates that would be another story. The only updates microsoft does are security patches to fix bugs. That is much different than say.... freeBSD where it is constantly developed and worked on, but not to patch security flaws, but to make it better. Something that microsoft knows nothing of.




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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 3:49am 2005

Microsoft sucks
Okay? [addsig]



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Posted by fraggard on Sat Jan 8th at 4:39am 2005

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An OS is only as secure as its owner.


So, what did owners do wrong when they got hit by MSBlaster?

I understand you're point, but some things are actually the fault of the OS maker.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 8th at 4:41am 2005

? quoting fraggard

? quote:
An OS is only as secure as its owner.


So, what did owners do wrong when they got hit by MSBlaster?

I understand you're point, but some things are actually the fault of the OS maker.

off topic:

fragman, any updates on the situation at home?

not morbid updates, i mean are you ok?

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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jan 8th at 4:42am 2005

what about Brahma? He's coming, you know. [addsig]



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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jan 8th at 4:44am 2005

Most of these problems could have been prevented just by updating, one reason that Linux OSes seem more secure is because the people who use them generally need to know what they are doing and thus are much more inclined to be updating and "in the know" so for that fact alone the majority of computers running a unix based system are more secure...those people will take the extra steps. In the Windows world, it's really not that hard to make it secure, and it's your own fault for not taking the time. People are either under-educated about it, or ignore it since the whole package works fine out of the box essentially. Not everyone's grandma is into hotfixes and service packs you know.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jan 8th at 4:59am 2005

? quoting Gorbachev
Most of these problems could have been prevented just by updating, one reason that Linux OSes seem more secure is because the people who use them generally need to know what they are doing and thus are much more inclined to be updating and "in the know" so for that fact alone the majority of computers running a unix based system are more secure...those people will take the extra steps. In the Windows world, it's really not that hard to make it secure, and it's your own fault for not taking the time. People are either under-educated about it, or ignore it since the whole package works fine out of the box essentially. Not everyone's grandma is into hotfixes and service packs you know.

Right you are, my hott-avatar-having friend! I have more to add though: Unix based systems are more secure for the same reasons that FireFox is more secure. The reason IE gets spyware and FireFox doesn't is because spyware-ers know that EVERYONE uses IE, so to maximize thier profits they go with the most commonly used program to affect more ppl. No one wants to make spyware that affects only Opera or Netscape or something... The same with viruses and worms; If the jerk knows that everyone uses windows XP then they are going to exploit the holes in Windows XP, not in a unix-based system that only 10% or less of ppl use. Especially when there are numerous TYPES of Linux and only ONe windows.

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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jan 8th at 5:19am 2005

Another issue is merely the defaults, there are lots of websites and business that revolve around Windows...so with Firefox the site doesn't work properly. Both the OSes and Browser arguements often deal with defaults...both are frequently capable of the exact same thing, but their aim and user base is pretty much opposite.
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Posted by Foxpup on Mon Jan 10th at 5:47am 2005

Or maybe all the hackers and virus writers out there are plotting some kind of attack against Microsoft?!? Now that'd be cool. [addsig]



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Posted by satchmo on Mon Jan 10th at 6:01am 2005

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Or maybe all the hackers and virus writers out there are plotting some kind of attack against Microsoft?!? Now that'd be cool.


There might be some truth to that assumption, knowing how many enemies Microsoft has in the computer community.
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Posted by Crono on Mon Jan 10th at 6:06am 2005

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Or maybe all the hackers and virus writers out there are plotting some kind of attack against Microsoft?!? Now that'd be cool.


Uh ... Believe that's been happening for a few years now.

I think "Malicious Coders" sounds better then "Virus Writers", because it makes more sense.


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Posted by fraggard on Mon Jan 10th at 7:20am 2005

For those who didn't know: This MS AntiSpyWare thing isn't created by MS. It's actually Giant AntiSpyware, and has only been repackaged.

I tried it, and it doesn't seem too bad. It's still in Beta though. It totally ignored all my settings during installation, and proceeded to enable Real Time Protection, run on Startup and run every night at 2:00 AM. So watch out for that. It found two registry entries that every other app i've run didn't find, and it's quite fast.

Also, the default scan is a "Smart Scan", so don't go clicking "Next" blindly. Force it to run the full scan.

I just hope they don't screw up this scanner. It seems pretty good.




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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Jan 10th at 10:52am 2005

? quoting Foxpup
Or maybe all the hackers and virus writers out there are plotting some kind of attack against Microsoft?!? Now that'd be cool.

actually, it seems to me if the asswipes would put this energy into a constructive solution the issue would resolve itself sooner.

hackers are not stupid people, just disruptive, why not channel it to more noble ends?

anyone who thinks hacking microsoft is a good thing, supports messing up my home pc, AND I DISLIKE PEOPLE MESSING UP MY HOME PC!

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Posted by Agent Smith on Mon Jan 10th at 10:58am 2005

I use all my own firewalls, anit-virus software and anti-spyware software because quite frankly Microsoft can't do security for s**t. Despite all the stuff I've got running, due to a giant hole in Service Pack 2, I got hit with some malware. I did a bit of searching and found a site that tells you exactly how to do it. The method meant that it wasn't the kind of intrusion that would trigger anti-virus software or get blocked at a firewall, making use of a giant hole in XP system security and file types that have no use except in hacking, which Microsoft failed to remove from SP 2.

Here's the link.
http://freehost07.websamba.com/greyhats/sp2rc-analysis.htm

If Microsoft can't stop this kind of simple s**t, ain't no way in hell are they gonna be in charge of all my system security.
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Posted by Junkyard God on Mon Jan 10th at 11:19am 2005

I'm sticking iwth my norton and ad-aware it works, so there's no need of taking such a risk [addsig]



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Posted by fraggard on Mon Jan 10th at 11:45am 2005

No single anti-spyware solution catches all the tonnes of crap running around. I would advice everyone to use more than one. Especially if you're on a PC where you're not the only user.





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