Games are TOO EASY
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Re: Games are TOO EASY
Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 12:37am 2005


I think that games these days are way too easy. I beat Half-Life 1 in 5 days on hard and Blue Shift in 2 days. I haven't got Half-Life 2 yet, so I can't really say anything about that yet... Games should be HARDER, like SuperTyrian 2: Lord of the Game (after 2 years of playing, I'm up to level 3 and there's around 50 levels...). I HATE games which are too easy.

/ Finishes Tyrian 2: Time War

Damn you runtime error 216!!! [addsig]




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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Jan 8th at 12:44am 2005


You must be good, try doom 3 (or any doom) on nightmare (your health only stays at 50 or so, and drops of its above)
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Re: Games are TOO EASY
Posted by Spartan on Sat Jan 8th at 12:54am 2005


It's not that games are easier its that you are a better gamer. [addsig]



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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 12:55am 2005


Doom 1 on Nightmare is pretty fun.

TEST OF SKILL:
Use only fist, chainsaw and pistol on Nightmare. This is the only way I can get a proper challenge with a single player first person shooter. [addsig]




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Posted by Hugh on Sat Jan 8th at 1:09am 2005


I recommend playing Ghost Recon and just running through it if you think games are easy, or maybe some Soldier of Fortune with max spawning/toughest enemies... similar to Doom's Nightmare except these guys spawn, not respawn. [addsig]



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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 1:14am 2005


Right now I'm just playing SuperTyrain 2: Lord of the Game, it's hard enough for my tastes. (would you believe, 8 times harder than Tyrian 2 on Hard plus virtually no weapons) [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sat Jan 8th at 1:29am 2005


If games are so easy for you why did Blue Shift take you so long? That's like a (possibly) 2 hour venture.

I think most games are at a good difficultly level. There's a difference between being hard and being ridiculous. I have no problem with a game being difficult, but there are times where it's just too much. You have to be able to balance everything out really well. Making a game ridiculously hard is not a good balancing technique.

I just have a beef with developers who make a game "harder" by increasing or decreasing damage and health to you or enemy's. Like Medal Of Honor for example. When a game makes it so you have to shoot an enemy in the head three times before they die... they've done a terrible job on difficulty fronts.

Personally, I'd like to see different game modes for different difficulties, ones that may put you in a more difficult situation. Even though that would cause insane development periods, it would give the game such an overwhelming dynamic.

However, I also think there should be games that have appendixes after you beat them that extend the story and uses your previous game play against you. Imagine something like Metal Gear Solid and playing through again as Grey Wolf and the AI used your previous game as a basis for Snakes AI. That would be great.

But I've babbled for too long.

I don't think games are too easy, because easy is a relative term. Define it and I'll give a better answer.

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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jan 8th at 1:36am 2005


I think games have gotten easier through the years...you get much more help and areas are always so defined. Instead of "go to the cave" and then leaving you to find whatever it was remotely mentioning. Nowadays if someone can't get past a level in a minute or two they give up or find an FAQ or the game just tells them. That's hardly fun. Back in the day, the guy who beat the game was a god between friends. Now, the guy who can't beat the game is a loser.
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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 1:38am 2005


Crono, download Tyrian 2 from somewhere, type ENGAGE at the title screen, and tell me how you do. I imagine you'll find it quite... well, you'll see. [addsig]



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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Sat Jan 8th at 1:41am 2005


You played Ikaruga, Foxpup? I think it'd be right up your alley. [addsig]



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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 1:45am 2005


Haven't played it. Looked it up on Google, and it sounds fun.

I've checked the DOS Games Archive, and they don't have Tyrian 2, only Tyrian 1. You'll have to download Tyrian 2 from somewhere else. [addsig]




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Posted by Adam Hawkins on Sat Jan 8th at 2:09am 2005


I don't think it's a case of games getting easier...just shorter. [addsig]



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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 2:17am 2005


YAY! I just finished level 3 on SuperTyrian 2! I think I'm going to stop playing for a while because my hand is going numb (invulnerability is a bitch with a mouse). [addsig]



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Posted by CrazyC on Sat Jan 8th at 3:04am 2005


Some games are easier, some harder. Guess it depends on the kind of game for me. If you want a challenging racing game, F-Zero GX is pretty rough. Lots of unlockables, many of which aren't impossible, but might as well be.




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Posted by satchmo on Sat Jan 8th at 3:09am 2005


Have you ever played the "Myst" series? It's by far the most tedious game ever. I was this close to falling into a permanent coma from playing it.

However, the puzzles are nearly impossible to solve.

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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Jan 8th at 3:10am 2005


Tyrian 2 won't work on a modern PC.

Check this out:
dosbox.sourceforge.net

EDIT: The link don't seem to work!!! Copy and paste it into the address bar until I can figure out how to work this thing... [addsig]




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Posted by Cash Car Star on Sat Jan 8th at 6:05am 2005


One of the things about games that makes them seem simpler is the incredible ease that save features now allow. Remember when beating a level gave you no more than a password you could put in to say you beat it? Or when games made you play the whole way through in one sitting? You had to actually master the game to get through. Now, a rabid quicksaver can just repeat a difficult section indefinitely until getting it perfect or with minimal damage, and then move on to the next area.

Seriously, Quick Save is the antithesis of challenging gameplay.





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Posted by Mouse on Sat Jan 8th at 6:57am 2005


I find that with a lot of games there will be a point where I get stuck and can't go any further. For example, the first two Ratchet and Clank games, which are excellent, get impossible for me to finish about three quarters of the way through. There's just a point in so many games where I get so frustrated I can't finish. Certain games that are really good I will perservere no matter what. Even in Half-Life 1, I couldn't beat that big baby thing without cheating.

And I am a total sucker for quicksave, especially in Half-Life 2. I don't like it when my health drops below 70 or 80, and I will always reload a quicksave if I do poorly in a fight when I know I can do better. It prolongs the game for me, so it's not all that bad.




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Posted by Dark|Killer on Sat Jan 8th at 8:16am 2005


? quoting Adam Hawkins
I don't think it's a case of games getting easier...just shorter.

yeh i would agree with you in some games, they are getting shorter in stories and levels, instead of being longer and harder , because i like games which are long and have a sweet scent of Challenge....this is the game i like !!

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Posted by Cassius on Sat Jan 8th at 8:36am 2005


HL2, quite frankly, was a breeze. I only got stuck a few times when I couldn't figure out which direction to go in.




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