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Posted by satchmo on Sat Jan 8th at 3:18am 2005

Has anyone else noticed that jumping ability seems diminished in a HL2 multiplayer game? I don't know if it's just me, but I have to crouch-jump a lot more often in HL2DM.

Why is that? Is it because I picked an Asian-looking character?

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Posted by Finger on Sat Jan 8th at 3:42am 2005

wtf... that borders on distasteful humor.

The jumping does feel a little weaker, but you also get a cool sprint and built in strafe-jumping moves, so I guess it balances out somewhat. I see alot of people complaining but it doesn't bother me much, although I am quite used to crouch jumping.





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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Jan 8th at 3:43am 2005

Yeah me too, im just accustomed to hitting space-ctr all in one motion, or even ctr-space for long jumps (which I miss)
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 8th at 3:47am 2005

excuse me if i err again, but wasn't that a complaint in HL1 originally as well?

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Posted by Joe-Bob on Sat Jan 8th at 3:50am 2005

With gravity gun jumping, I don't think that this is true at all. Jumping to about three times Gordon's height can be acheived with about 10 damage if done right, and any maps with vertical fighting is sure to have plenty of props.




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Posted by parakeet on Sat Jan 8th at 3:51am 2005

yeah but in tfc us medics got around that old trouble with concs = P , Why else would my name be Parakeet. Also ive gravity jumped all the time 3 times your height "no damage ,if you land on the physics object right
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Posted by Joe-Bob on Sat Jan 8th at 3:55am 2005

I never said that you couldn't jump higher without damage, but that's the best consistent jump I can get in a deathmatch situation.

I was a bit of a conc jumper myself, I also liked being a TFC medic.




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Posted by Finger on Sat Jan 8th at 3:59am 2005

Coming from HL1 and being a Tau freak, Gravity jumping just doesn't quite satisfy me. I have done it on occasion, but unless I can figure out how to consistently do it, I almost don't even care. I'm all about radiator hording, and GGgrenade tossing.



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Posted by satchmo on Sat Jan 8th at 4:00am 2005

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that borders on distasteful humor

I feel that I should own the rights on all Asian jokes because I am one. It's not politically incorrect for a member of an ethnicity to make fun of his own people.

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but you also get a cool sprint...

But you have that in the SP game also!

In addition, I notice that footsteps sound different in DM too. Why would Valve make all these modifications? Were there two different coding teams that came up with SP and DM games?

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Posted by Gwil on Sat Jan 8th at 4:03am 2005

? quote:
excuse me if i err again, but wasn't that a complaint in HL1 originally as well?



Definately - I always thought being able to fit in a quick well timed crouch jump to a new location/important ammo in the heat of a battle, a skill to master.

You'll notice the good players have the manouver in the sub conscious playing routines, I'd wager.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 8th at 4:05am 2005

? quoting satchmo

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that borders on distasteful humor

I feel that I should own the rights on all Asian jokes because I am one. It's not politically incorrect for a member of an ethnicity to make fun of his own people.

not another flaming please but i have to ask, since when?

anywho's.. i didn't read your sentence poorly, didn't even enter my mind cause it just didn't sound like you meant it that way.

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Posted by Joe-Bob on Sat Jan 8th at 4:10am 2005

About the Asian thing, it IS acceptable to make fun of your race when people know. However, on the internet, you risk offending people who don't have a clue what race you may be. You'd be best off not doing it at all.

Anyway, I agree that jumping takes a bit of skill now. Once you play for a little while, you can probably know just when you need to couch-jump and you would be able to get off a quick gravity gun jump if need be.
I also support unpopular moves like bunnyhopping. It takes skill to pull off stuff like that, despite the complaints.




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Posted by ReNo on Sat Jan 8th at 4:18am 2005

Bunny hopping in HL2DM seems quite inconsistant - its certainly managable, often to extremely high speed and effective uses, but hard to get working every time. I don't mean this in a skill based way either, as despite using wha I would think to be the same techniques every time, I don't find it working perfectly. I have found that if you brush off physics objects such as cars while bunny hopping, it can occasionally launch you forwards with a whole lot of speed
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Posted by satchmo on Sat Jan 8th at 4:37am 2005

You master gamer you. I don't even have any clue on how to bunnyhop, or what it is. [addsig]



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Posted by Mouse on Sat Jan 8th at 4:44am 2005

The HL2 player feels heavier to me when jumping or falling. Crouch jumping can get you pretty far, but I'm in the same catagory as Finger when it comes to missing the tau and longjump. I also miss the rocket jumping from Quake 1, but that's something else.

I bet the HL2 Gordan could probably make the jump from the crates to the two batteries in Stalkyard just as well as the HL1 Gordan can.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Jan 8th at 4:47am 2005

What kind of Asian are you? I am guessing Japanese-american. Right?

Yeah, what's bunny-hopping?

And I think that ppl can make fun of thier own type of ppl. Except Blacks, they can make fun of ANYONE it seems. (and they normally do!)

What's grav jumping, precious?

PS TO MOUSE: It's spelled "Gordon"

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Posted by Mouse on Sat Jan 8th at 5:00am 2005

Thanks, yeah, I always mess that up when I change models in Half-Life DM. It took me till I was in high school to figure out that Michael had the a before the e and that's my dad's middle name.

Bunny hopping, though I've never been too great at it, is when you strafe jump forward and gradually your speed increases. There are scripts that people use to do this in HL1 that can make them fly across a room, it's really pretty incredible to see. I can do it manually to an extent and with HL2 being so slow I'm doing it much more.

I make fun of everyone. Particularily myself.

Gravity-jumping is when you stand on a physics object and shoot the G-Gun's primary fire down while jumping. It's similar to rocket/tau jumping, but I find it less consistent, possibly because I am terrible at doing it. In DM_casual, you can use the radiator to grav-jump to the top of one of the buildings where there is an xbow and some armor. Sometimes I get it on the first try, sometimes it takes me 20 tries.






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Posted by Cassius on Sat Jan 8th at 5:30am 2005

You know what they say: white men can't jump. That's why we use the Grav-Gun in basketball.



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Posted by Foxpup on Mon Jan 10th at 5:34am 2005

I've noticed I feel a lot heavier in HL2 than in HL1. Bunnyhopping in HL2 is great if you do it manually but if you use a script I'd call it cheating. Cheaters should be taken out and shot. [addsig]




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