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Posted by Foxpup on Sun Jan 16th at 12:33am 2005

Come to think of it, I've never got any sort of critical error when running MS-DOS 6.2 on my 486DX2/66. Only things like File Not Found, which is impossible to prevent. DOS was the only good thing to come out of Microsoft, which is a shame, because it's long obsolete. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sun Jan 16th at 1:16am 2005

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Come to think of it, I've never got any sort of critical error when running MS-DOS 6.2 on my 486DX2/66. Only things like File Not Found, which is impossible to prevent. DOS was the only good thing to come out of Microsoft, which is a shame, because it's long obsolete.


And yet they didn't write it.

XC, don't bother. They wont listen. Believe me, I've tried.
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Posted by m0p on Sun Jan 16th at 2:15am 2005

xconspirasist, it's much less than 98% of the population that use it actually. And no, I don't use Windows. Linux here! Of course theres no such thing as a bugfree program, but Windows tends to have more security bugs than any other system, pathetic really.




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Posted by Foxpup on Sun Jan 16th at 2:45am 2005

Every day, Microsoft continues to amaze logical scientists who wonder how a product so bad manages to sell so good.

/ Picks up phone. Calls local mathematician.

My friend here says Microsoft should have failed around around 10 years ago, shortly the release of something called "Windows 2.0". He says according to supply-demand theory, Microsoft should not have been able to sell enough copies to justify their expense. But, sell enough they did. Damn Microsoft, defying the laws of mathematics... [addsig]



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Posted by Myrk- on Sun Jan 16th at 3:08am 2005

Well it's not a direct hardware issue... Most likely something to do with your firewalls etc and uninstalling them. But as usual people are fewls... Windows has its own firewall which you can turn on- with or without Service Pack 2. SP2 just makes a spinkee interface which annoys you more.

And Foxpup, compare Windows XP to 98... It is a LOT better. My PC never crashes- with 98 it used to crash all the time, and with ME- it was just 1 big crash with some nice graphics. As for selling well... the competition ain't so good or user friendly (Linux is ugly and incompatible, always needs patches which is why the normal user can't use it).

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Posted by m0p on Sun Jan 16th at 4:58am 2005

By saying Linux is ugly and incompatible, you have just lowered your IQ by 50 points. It isn't ugly, look at some of the new X systems and desktops like Gnome. X.org 6.8 has technology far superior to Windows Win32 GUI. And calling it incompatible is stupid too, it detects all of my hardware without error and I can play HL on it, map with it, browse teh internet, use IRC, use MSN (with amsn), use AIM (with gaim), edit graphics (GIMP and photoshop in an emulator), play loads of other games and I have even got HL2 working. Now, calling that incompatible would make you retarded. It's also much more efficiant than windows, much more cleanly coded, much faster, much more secure. It doesnt require constant patches. Sure, it's hard to use, but if you are willing to fit any more information into your thick, Windows adapted skull, they you will get the hang of it quickly.




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Posted by wil5on on Sun Jan 16th at 5:27am 2005

? quoting Foxpup
My friend here says Microsoft should have failed around around 10 years ago, shortly the release of something called "Windows 2.0". He says according to supply-demand theory, Microsoft should not have been able to sell enough copies to justify their expense. But, sell enough they did. Damn Microsoft, defying the laws of mathematics...

Neither you, nor your *friend*, seem to know what youre talking about. Microsoft products have worked fine for me, they should work fine for anyone who knows what theyre doing. I know I've got no chance of changing your views, but please, just stop making MS-bashing posts for the sake of MS-bashing.

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Posted by Crono on Sun Jan 16th at 5:33am 2005

Also the reason why Microsoft has flourished is because they made deals with hardware developers for software packages. If you want I suppose you could blame NEC.
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Posted by m0p on Sun Jan 16th at 5:45am 2005

I don't bash MS for the sake of it, I do it because of my experience with their horrible products. And yes, I do know what I'm doing, I know more than anyone here probably would, no offense. I have bad experiences with XP from the start, I caught 3 viruses after being connected to a 512kbit line for only 1 hour, in fact, as soon as I connected, I immedeatly got hit by blaster. And, yes, I did have a firewall and antivirus which were all up-to-date. 98 and ME were hell! Bugs all over them, blue screens very often, some programs not behaving correctly, viruses, the works. Win 3.1 was ok actually, but was still rather buggy. DOS was really the only OS they have developed that I would consider "decent", but then again, it's very old which makes it useless for my common tasks.




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Posted by Gorbachev on Sun Jan 16th at 7:15am 2005

If you know more you apparently have an odd way of showing it.
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Posted by Crono on Sun Jan 16th at 7:41am 2005

Jesus, m0p. You're a pompous prick.

You're not the only person on this site who knows about "alternatives" and how to use them.

I really don't care how much you know, you shouldn't act that way to other individuals on this matter. Because, honestly, there's nothing you can do.

Also, for the last f**king time, Microsoft did not "develop" Dos, they bought it.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jan 16th at 7:47am 2005

? quoting m0p
I caught 3 viruses after being connected to a 512kbit line for only 1 hour, in fact, as soon as I connected,

makes me wonder, what am i doing so right?

i never get anything, i didn't deserve to get by visiting questionable sites or otherwise drawing attention to my pc.

my computers stay on 24/7 all connected to DSL, and they hum along day after day after month etc.etc.

am i so lucky as to have the only pirated copy of XP pro corp that no one wants to mess with me?

anywho's... i know that windows is buggy, but its no where near as bad as the doom sayers want it to be..

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Posted by m0p on Sun Jan 16th at 8:46am 2005

No Crono, I'm not a pompus prick. I know alot about other operating systems, and alternatives to Window$, but I agree, other people do too. And what do you mean "act that way to other individuals", you've just called me a prick. I haven't directly or indirectly insulted anyone, and if I did, it's not purposely. And when I refer to DOS, I am referring to MS-DOS, not DOS, ok? Got it? Stupid "pompus prick" indeed.

And in rssponse to Orpheus's post:
"questionable sites", lol. I didn't even have any browsers open. Literally, it downloaded the virus on connect. And this was with the Window$ firewall and Zone Alarm Pro running, plus Norton Corporate Anti-Virus, all upto date. It detected the virus, but didn't do anything about it, maybe Symantec can take blame for security issues, but that's not the point. I have run Micro$oft software for years and have had nothing but trouble in most cases, shows you their programming skills doesnt it? Window$ is at least usable if you can put up with some bugs, but when you compare it to Linux releases, for example, Debian 3.0 has only a couple of bugs, the testing version contains 100's, but is still usable. Now, Microsoft release their products before all of their bugs have been eliminated, and then release service packs months overdue. Great service huh? Whereas, Linux releases don't have to be updated if you don't want to, the only update needed is for drivers and the kernel. The kernel only needs to be upgraded when new hardware is released, or there is a security hole (which will rarely appear). Much better system, since you don't have to go through a very slow server, you can choose between servers and find the fastest one.

Oh, and overall, thankyou for being a friendly community! Very friendly, in fact, you need an award! Huzzah!




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Posted by Gorbachev on Sun Jan 16th at 9:46am 2005

If you know so much you'd know that a worm isn't a virus. Knowing a lot about other operating systems is not what you implied with your posts. Perhaps you may not realise but a lot of people here also use alternatives, take schooling in them or just have them as hobbies. People might be more accepting of alternatives, but you're giving alternatives a bad name with arrogance.

Microsoft has to release by some date, if they don't nothing would ever get done, it's a continual loop. If you know enough about OSes you'd realize that. They run on a different operating model than open sources do, they have to. They also have to account for all the generic and general uses that people want computers to do...and while you may find it fun to look on development sites and find drivers individually for your stuff there are many people without the experience, nor may ever have the technical skill to do anything more than plug the box in. As well, anyone into gaming can have lots of support and the majority of games are specific for Windows based machines so that removes a lot of potential users.

Linux has nowhere near as many lines of code in its OS as Windows does, and that's for the sole reason of reverse and automatic compatability. Obviously I know that it's not perfect, but to say that Windows hasn't steadily improved through its revisions is childish. If Linux coders make 40 Million lines of code with less bugs than Microsoft has then I'll believe their "skills" are better. But the best coders are snapped up by Microsoft, they're only limited by the consumer, business model and real-world stress-testing.
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Posted by m0p on Sun Jan 16th at 10:07am 2005

I can understand your points, but Microsoft does not have the best programmers. Alot of the best programmers are working on projects like FreeBSD or linux, or they might be working freelance and are looking for programming jobs. There's probably 1000's of better coders than microsoft's out there which haven't even done a commercial project. But I agree, some people might not want to bother with kernels, X systems and whatnot. But, in the course of hours, I managed to instruct a complete Linux noob to install Debian, get 3d modes working, upgrade the kernel, and manage to have a match of quake 3 with me using his new linux installation. And that was someone who has never used Linux before. It shows that even complete unix newbies can get Linux working properly, if they actually put some effort in. When people use Windows, they aren't putting in any effort at all, which makes them lazy and probably lowers their mental capacity, at least when people use Linux or Unix they can actually put effort into their computing experience.




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Posted by Crono on Sun Jan 16th at 10:08am 2005

m0p, in your two posts before your last one, yes, yes you were a pompous prick.

I'm not arguing that Windows isn't utter crap when it comes to development (or period). I'm talking about the manner you're treating individuals in regard to the subject (which was/is hostile and arrogant, just to let you know). It isn't okay.

Gorb, MS doesn't snatch up the best programmers in the field. They most often pick up CS-Semi-drop-outs. It's the only explanation. That and they ask ridiculous questions at interviews. They're suppose to test your problem solving skills, but one of them is, ?How do they get the 'm' on m&m candy??


If my ?systems? instructor saw a student's code which was sloppy (most of the students, sadly ) she'd correct you and such, but there were always certain people that just argued to the death and she'd always say something along the lines of, ?Fine, quit now and go work at Microsoft? ... I always thought it was funny.

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Posted by m0p on Sun Jan 16th at 10:21am 2005

I am sometimes hostile, but that's how I am. Anyway, apologies where necessary.




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Posted by Gorbachev on Sun Jan 16th at 10:24am 2005

Another small thing I'm also kind of saying is that if you take the same amount of effort a Windows box can be just as secure. I've had no problems, I took the time. It really doesn't matter what my system is running currently (I have tons of old machines lying around with various OSes) but it's basically how you use it. Although I really only trust the NT core or updated *nix based cores.
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Posted by xconspirisist on Sun Jan 16th at 10:38am 2005

There are many many people in the world that believe MS DOS was one of the worst creations pushed past those golden gates in redmond, but, believe what you want to.

Microsoft has some of the best programmers in the world. The windows xp codebase is utterly vast, drawing in thousands of software shops from all round the world, or, mostly from our friends in India. The point is - at least from my prespective; is that windows surves its purpose. Home users, gamers, Parents and Small Children that dont actually care *how the computer works*, fit into this catagory. However, the well informed geek, will use linux, or other opperating systems. Simply because windows does not surve its purpose for them. For me, at least, I just wanted to try something new one day. After many hours of sheer delight from a whole load of problems to fix, I figured that free, and opensource software made by decent people, on a platform that is infinatly expandable, was the right choice for me.




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Posted by Myrk- on Sun Jan 16th at 12:24pm 2005

Well m0p, you just lowered your IQ for not reading what I said and proving my point! Linux needs all different programs and patches to work, and you just proved that. [addsig]




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