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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Jan 17th at 11:42am 2005

Don't laugh, cause i am not in the mood presently, later might be better.

I bought this card last night, yup its basic bottom rung i know, but it is a DX9 card.

why does HL2 refuse to acknowledge this? is there something i am overlooking?

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Posted by Myrk- on Mon Jan 17th at 12:00pm 2005

Did you get PCI or AGP? Dunno if HL2 likes PCI... [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Jan 17th at 12:06pm 2005

agp..

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Posted by Adam Hawkins on Mon Jan 17th at 12:07pm 2005

It's HL2 that causes this. I think Valve set it to run the 5000 series as DX8 rather than 9 due to better performance. I have the 5900 and it does the same. There was a console command to change to DX9 in the CS:S Beta but I don't know if that still exists. [addsig]



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Posted by Pericolos0 on Mon Jan 17th at 12:08pm 2005

geforceFX cards are totally crap with dx9

thats why they are set to dx8 as default.

add -dxlevel 90 to the launch options for it to work. But you'll have like ~10fps then smiley




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Posted by Myrk- on Mon Jan 17th at 12:09pm 2005

Radeon all the way! But at least yours is AGP orph. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Jan 17th at 12:15pm 2005

*sighs*

thanx guys, i will work on this. its more powerful than my 9000, but its not doing its job. i must have something setup wrong.

checking drivers now..

thanx again.

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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Jan 17th at 12:48pm 2005

this is bulls**t. a substantially bigger card and its worse than my 9000 was/is

is everyone having trouble with Nvidia and HL2?

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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Jan 17th at 1:00pm 2005

screw it, i am not going to argue with a damned video card..

/me reckons i'll just send out for one instead of buying local.

thanx guys.. goes to show you, convenience is not always best

sure would have liked to use those 256 megs of ram though :/

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Posted by Loco on Mon Jan 17th at 3:20pm 2005

Ahah! The fx5200! Even though it has 256mb, this will only run HL2 on directx 8. Valve made an announcement before HL2's release that the fx5200 was set to run on directx 8 on HL2 because of "problems" and the card would bearly run the game at all. Some community site (can't remember which) then investigated this, forcing the directx level to 9, and discovered weird glitches like the water not rendering at all etc.

Interestingly, I had a quick look through some files for Dawn of War, which included two text files. ati.txt was blank, but nvidia.txt contained soem commands and a comment to the effect of "Nvidia cards report they can't handle something-or-other, they certainly can! This command forces them to". Looks like the GeForces are perfectly capable, it's just the drivers.
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Posted by Pericolos0 on Mon Jan 17th at 3:33pm 2005

yeah i have a geforceFX5600 and i found a tool somewhere that made hl2 think my card was an ati9800, which resulted at everything rendered perfectly in directx9, although at slower fps than dx8 would have.

I dunno but i have this idea ati has been giving valve some monies to make geforce cards seem less good
conspiracy!!




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Posted by Bobv on Mon Jan 17th at 3:55pm 2005

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is everyone having trouble with Nvidia and HL2?


Well... I have an Nvidia Geforce 6600GT (only 128mb of memory), it didnt give me any problems in HL2 so far - but it's not a FX5xxx like yours...




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Posted by $loth on Mon Jan 17th at 4:18pm 2005

Whats the difference in HL2 between dx8 and 9.
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Posted by ReNo on Mon Jan 17th at 4:28pm 2005

There are some articles out there doing comparisons, you should look them up. Search the news archives on PHL for example.
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Posted by ben_j_davis on Mon Jan 17th at 4:33pm 2005

You could'nt of picked a worse new to card to run HL2. nVidia cards are slower at running HL2 anyway, but the 5200 is a pile of s**t. Its the kind of card they bundle with most computers these days.

I recommend getting a refund on this card and then get a nVidia 6600GT (?130 or $240, probably cheaper in USA) This would be ideal but if you don't want to spend that much don't go below say and ATI 9700 / 9700pro (?90 - $167)

The XFX 6600GT(AGP) is a good buy if you have a little bit extra cash. Plus the latest nVidia drivers has produced a significant improvement in framerate 4 HL2, so i'm told.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_6600_GT.html

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Posted by Crono on Mon Jan 17th at 10:35pm 2005

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this is bulls**t. a substantially bigger card and its worse than my 9000 was/is

is everyone having trouble with Nvidia and HL2?



No, mine runes great. I've got a GF4. It just doesn't support all the effects, so it doesn't render them.
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Posted by mazemaster on Mon Jan 17th at 10:44pm 2005

Ive got a GF2. It runs fine - I actually get good fps - but all the bells and whistles are off. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Jan 17th at 10:55pm 2005

? quoting mazemaster
Ive got a GF2. It runs fine - I actually get good fps - but all the bells and whistles are off.

i loaded the map that agent smith sent me, because i knew how it ran on my 9000.

it ran worse.

i turned everything on low, or off. and it still ran like crap. from the corners i never got over 7fps.

i dunno what was the issue, but its now back at the store.

in low traffic areas, it never got over 30fps, and thats ridiculous with nothing at all on.

i also tried 3 different sets of drivers all to no avail.

i did manage to get it to see it as a DX9 card with that commandline that pericolo posted, and the good news is, no bad effects were present, at least none worse than already.

i am at a loss as to how come this card failed me so badly. even assuming the 5200 is not great, it is markedly bigger than a 9000ATI.

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Posted by rs6 on Mon Jan 17th at 11:17pm 2005

HL2 runs all nvidia cards of the gforce5 series in DX8. TO get it to run DX9. go to the startup options and type -dxlevel9 (i think thats the command) [addsig]



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Posted by Myrk- on Mon Jan 17th at 11:21pm 2005

You got good drivers Orph? Try some different suites and see which is good. [addsig]




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