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Posted by DrGlass on Sat Jan 22nd at 10:16am 2005

The amount of work involved in removing a co-planer face from every brush in the level would be a huge task, I dont think there would be an easy way to do it. You would have to find everysolid entity and delete the extra vertices.

Then on the same side, if you wanted to copy a small section of map to test and use the problem could be fixed.

I have changed my mind on the whole thing, if you can get the look but dont touch to work thats great. But at the very least have a pop up box everytime you decompile with a short message like "please use this as a learning resource, if you want to copy or use any thing in this map contact the owner and ask. Honesty is super cool"

Also, you may want to send an e-mail to valve and see how they feel about the whole thing.




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Posted by Andrei on Sat Jan 22nd at 10:36am 2005

? quoting ReNo
What decompiling mayhem?

*wishpers* The old Prefabland had about 2000 decompiled fabs. I shamefuly admit that in my n00b years i posted some decompiles myself.

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Posted by Forceflow on Sat Jan 22nd at 1:35pm 2005

There have always been decompilers around. Only the good maps will survive. Even ?f some noob decompiles a great map and punches holes in the walls, it will still look like sh**.

Release it.
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Posted by fraggard on Sat Jan 22nd at 3:10pm 2005

Go ahead and release it. Don't bother with all the misuses it can be put to. (Dihydrogen Monoxide can cause death by drowning)




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 22nd at 3:12pm 2005

? quoting fraggard
Go ahead and release it. Don't bother with all the misuses it can be put to. (Dihydrogen Monoxide can cause death by drowning)

yeah, what he said..

*acts like i know what he said*

if we all worried about abused inventions, they never would have released "food"

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Posted by DrGlass on Sat Jan 22nd at 3:24pm 2005

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if we all worried about abused inventions, they never would have released "food"



they invented food? intresting.

I dont think the argument should be wether or not to relese it, but how to curb people from over eating... errr... doing bad things with the tool.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 22nd at 3:30pm 2005

is my humor that vague?

i sit here rolling over things like that, and the reception i get online is usually either disinterest, or outright ignored.

i suppose, i should have my funny bone looked at since it seems to be broken, or locked in the "on" position

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Posted by StickFigs on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:04pm 2005

If you don't release it chances are there will only be one other decompiler released.

I've only ever found 2 for HL1 and they work completely differently.

I wonder how many people posting here are actually just making up excuses to release it because they can't wait to steal some prefabs or take an entity setup that someone took days to make and stick it in their own s**thole map.

And to whoever posted this thread, quit acting like you care what people think, you're going to release it anyways and you know it. The most you could have hoped to achieve with this thread is having people ready to go steal someone's hard work kiss your ass.





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Posted by fraggard on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:06pm 2005

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I wonder how many people posting here are actually just making up excuses to release it because they can't wait to steal some prefabs or take an entity setup that someone took days to make and stick it in their own s**thole map.


Keep wondering. It'll do you good.

Edit: Quoted you... I get the feeling you might "change" your views. You fit the profile.




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Posted by StickFigs on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:07pm 2005

? quoting fraggard

? quote:
I wonder how many people posting here are actually just making up excuses to release it because they can't wait to steal some prefabs or take an entity setup that someone took days to make and stick it in their own s**thole map.


Keep wondering. It'll do you good.

Edit: Quoted you... I get the feeling you might "change" your views. You fit the profile.

Is that a threat? Because I really don't care.





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Posted by fraggard on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:30pm 2005

? quote:
? quoting fraggard
? quote:
I wonder how many people posting here are actually just making up excuses to release it because they can't wait to steal some prefabs or take an entity setup that someone took days to make and stick it in their own s**thole map.


Keep wondering. It'll do you good.

Edit: Quoted you... I get the feeling you might "change" your views. You fit the profile.

Is that a threat? Because I really don't care.



*sigh*
I'm not trying to pick a fight, even though you sound like you want to.

I'm trying to make a point. A decompiler has valid uses. Just because it has some unethical uses does not mean that it should be scrapped. My previous Dihydrogen Monoxide joke was meant to illustrate just that. Dihydrogen Monoxide is water. H20.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:31pm 2005

i am the last person to talk, but i suggest caution stickfig.

fraggard is quiet most times, but when he talks people listen. if you want your stay here to be as pleasant as possible, don't be so abrasive.

/ 2 cents

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Posted by fraggard on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:38pm 2005

? quote:
if you want your stay here to be as pleasant as possible, don't be so abrasive.

/ 2 cents


*points up* He the man.

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when he talks people listen.

People actually listen to me?
fraggard.ego += 1000;





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Posted by ReNo on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:41pm 2005

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Posted by fraggard on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:43pm 2005

fraggard.~fraggard();




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 22nd at 4:46pm 2005

? quoting fraggard

People actually listen to me?

i do. more than you know apparently.

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Posted by Gwil on Sat Jan 22nd at 5:12pm 2005

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If you don't release it chances are there will only be one other decompiler released.

I've only ever found 2 for HL1 and they work completely differently.

I wonder how many people posting here are actually just making up excuses to release it because they can't wait to steal some prefabs or take an entity setup that someone took days to make and stick it in their own s**thole map.

And to whoever posted this thread, quit acting like you care what people think, you're going to release it anyways and you know it. The most you could have hoped to achieve with this thread is having people ready to go steal someone's hard work kiss your ass.



ALERT ALERT! THIS IS NOT STEAMPOWERED. CALLING OUR USERS NOOBS AND THIEVES WILL MAKE EVERYONE HATE YOU!

ALERT ALERT! GET CLUE!

As pointed out, decompiles never get played/finished because they come out like a technicolour yawn, and server admins will happily install killboxes ang LEGGO maps as opposed to a recompiled hack up of say, lockdown.
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Posted by StickFigs on Sat Jan 22nd at 6:12pm 2005

? quoting Gwil

? quote:
If you don't release it chances are there will only be one other decompiler released.

I've only ever found 2 for HL1 and they work completely differently.

I wonder how many people posting here are actually just making up excuses to release it because they can't wait to steal some prefabs or take an entity setup that someone took days to make and stick it in their own s**thole map.

And to whoever posted this thread, quit acting like you care what people think, you're going to release it anyways and you know it. The most you could have hoped to achieve with this thread is having people ready to go steal someone's hard work kiss your ass.



ALERT ALERT! THIS IS NOT STEAMPOWERED. CALLING OUR USERS NOOBS AND THIEVES WILL MAKE EVERYONE HATE YOU!

ALERT ALERT! GET CLUE!

As pointed out, decompiles never get played/finished because they come out like a technicolour yawn, and server admins will happily install killboxes ang LEGGO maps as opposed to a recompiled hack up of say, lockdown.

I never even thought about comparing this place to Steampowered forums before you made this post. Way to represent.





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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jan 22nd at 6:15pm 2005

so much for my heart felt attempt at peace keeping.

you're on your own stickfig :/

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sat Jan 22nd at 6:24pm 2005

? quoting StickFigs
If you don't release it chances are there will only be one other decompiler released.

I've only ever found 2 for HL1 and they work completely differently.

I wonder how many people posting here are actually just making up excuses to release it because they can't wait to steal some prefabs or take an entity setup that someone took days to make and stick it in their own s**thole map.

And to whoever posted this thread, quit acting like you care what people think, you're going to release it anyways and you know it. The most you could have hoped to achieve with this thread is having people ready to go steal someone's hard work kiss your ass.

Release the decompiler quick so I can rip one of StickFig's maps! Oh... Wait. That's right. He doesn't have any...

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