Some things I noticed
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Posted by DrGlass on Sat Jan 22nd at 2:45pm 2005


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No, those things in the Citadel are called Stalkers, and they were going to be enemies you could fight at one point. I don't know what Vorgons are, but Vortigons are what were alien slaves in HL1 and are now helping the resistance...

Anyone else think that the Race X enemies in OP4 are meant to be Combine, or just some random, un-tied-in enemies?



Yeah stalkers, I think those are converted vortigons. It looks like they are slaves to the combine (there is one part where you see a combine cop beating up on a stalker)

As for the op4 enemys, I didn't think that valve had anything to do with that story line?

but if they did, it could be combind force. There were a multitude of enemys that didn't seem to have much of anything in common all controlled by some 'force'

Did they ever really explane that the voitigon's were slaves in HL1? I thought they were just a high level species from Xen.
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Posted by Bobv on Sat Jan 22nd at 3:04pm 2005


Stalkers are humans.. Humans that had all their organs replaced with saline and are running on some life support thingy. They are basically human slaves for the combine.

The Combine take over planets by creating a hybrid of themselves, and the dominant race on a planet - they spread gas that prevents the inhabitants from reproducing, they put chemicals in the water to make them forget and fall to their rule. They enslave races with soldiers that can use the race's weapons, vehicles, and other technology.

This is how the combine get all kinds of technology - their last planet was Xen, which Gordon Freeman Freed (heh) in HL1, that is why Vortigaunts are now helping you (they were the smart ones on Xen) but headcrabs, antlions, fishy sharks, are kinda like some type of tigers, sharks, etc. on earth - they are wild and untamed, and now not under the rule of the combine anymore - that is why you see the combine fighting them. The big blob guy you saw was an actual Combine guy - because "Combine" soldiers and stuff are partially human.

We can assume most of their technology that they use came from other worlds they conquered, all they want to do is take all our stuff, the planet's resources, and turn humans into stalkers to work for them.


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Posted by Guessmyname on Sat Jan 22nd at 3:09pm 2005


And of course, surely thousands of headcrabs etc escaped from Black Mesa, thus weakening Human Civilization?
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Posted by DrGlass on Sat Jan 22nd at 3:33pm 2005


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Stalkers are humans.. Humans that had all their organs replaced with saline and are running on some life support thingy. They are basically human slaves for the combine.

The Combine take over planets by creating a hybrid of themselves, and the dominant race on a planet - they spread gas that prevents the inhabitants from reproducing, they put chemicals in the water to make them forget and fall to their rule. They enslave races with soldiers that can use the race's weapons, vehicles, and other technology.

This is how the combine get all kinds of technology - their last planet was Xen, which Gordon Freeman Freed (heh) in HL1, that is why Vortigaunts are now helping you (they were the smart ones on Xen) but headcrabs, antlions, fishy sharks, are kinda like some type of tigers, sharks, etc. on earth - they are wild and untamed, and now not under the rule of the combine anymore - that is why you see the combine fighting them. The big blob guy you saw was an actual Combine guy - because "Combine" soldiers and stuff are partially human.

We can assume most of their technology that they use came from other worlds they conquered, all they want to do is take all our stuff, the planet's resources, and turn humans into stalkers to work for them.


i think...


how much of that is speculation?

I dont think the combine had controle of xen, I think that xen got mixed up with earth and the combine came. I dunno.

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Posted by Bobv on Sat Jan 22nd at 3:41pm 2005


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Stalkers are humans.. Humans that had all their organs replaced with saline and are running on some life support thingy. They are basically human slaves for the combine.

The Combine take over planets by creating a hybrid of themselves, and the dominant race on a planet - they spread gas that prevents the inhabitants from reproducing, they put chemicals in the water to make them forget and fall to their rule. They enslave races with soldiers that can use the race's weapons, vehicles, and other technology.

This is how the combine get all kinds of technology - their last planet was Xen, which Gordon Freeman Freed (heh) in HL1, that is why Vortigaunts are now helping you (they were the smart ones on Xen) but headcrabs, antlions, fishy sharks, are kinda like some type of tigers, sharks, etc. on earth - they are wild and untamed, and now not under the rule of the combine anymore - that is why you see the combine fighting them. The big blob guy you saw was an actual Combine guy - because "Combine" soldiers and stuff are partially human.

We can assume most of their technology that they use came from other worlds they conquered, all they want to do is take all our stuff, the planet's resources, and turn humans into stalkers to work for them.


i think...


how much of that is speculation?

I dont think the combine had controle of xen, I think that xen got mixed up with earth and the combine came. I dunno.




partially what i read in Valve's own stuff, partially this guy who seems to know what he's talking about http://fragfiles.org/~hlstory//
I got the collectors edition, which has the booklet with excerts from "Raising The Bar" and it clearly stated that Stalkers are humans adapted for combine use, among other things.




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Posted by Gorbachev on Sat Jan 22nd at 9:42pm 2005


I actually have Raising the Bar. So I can confirm that.
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Posted by pepper on Sat Jan 22nd at 10:30pm 2005


i think the citadel is some giant multi-dimensional-star-cruiser to dig up resources of planets and serve as a barack for the combines and production factory.
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Posted by SnarkSephiroth on Sun Jan 23rd at 12:23am 2005


Very sorry about this double post something messed up my browser. Please don't get mad.





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Posted by SnarkSephiroth on Sun Jan 23rd at 12:24am 2005


I've noticed that your airboat wieghs about as much as a feather. Seriously if you shoot it with your grav gun it will fly up and slowly tumble down. It might be a glitch too. Heres a screen. It stays that high for a couple seconds tumbling and then it falls ever so softly down. I found it funny.





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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Jan 23rd at 12:47am 2005


Stalkers are humans that are made into slaves. In the citadel there are LOTS of mortarsynths and crabsynths. I am sure the combine (AKA. the synth) would have no problems wiping the floor with us.

The combine is a lot like th Borg. It asimilates things and makes hybrids. like the combine soldiers are just modified humans. If you saw that one that had been stripped of its armour.

Also, nobody mentioned the badass striders.

[edit] i thought the crossbow bolts were red-hot rebar too, otherwise how do they stick in concrete and stuff. Also, you show me a rayovac 9v that is gonna make enough heat to get a rebar red-hot.

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Posted by Bobv on Sun Jan 23rd at 1:04am 2005


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[edit] i thought the crossbow bolts were red-hot rebar too, otherwise how do they stick in concrete and stuff. Also, you show me a rayovac 9v that is gonna make enough heat to get a rebar red-hot.


Well this IS slightly in the future - who knows
Or maybe the combine got Top Secret 9v battery when they took over China




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Posted by Myrk- on Sun Jan 23rd at 1:28am 2005


Ok... Can't remember where I found this out, but I did. Stalkers are when the combine take a human for use as a soldier, but then find they don't want it as a soldier or something, so they make it a stalker. The combine soldiers are just same as stalkers but with some muscle and a bit more bulk. I'm not sure if they have full legs or not, you can't tell. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sun Jan 23rd at 1:31am 2005


I love the amount of back-story and thought that went into HL2. As far as story goes, there's an insane amount of continuity. Honestly, it seems like a lot of this confusion over the terms they use in the game are purposeful. Valve is pretty big on "putting you in the shoes", so if you just woke up and all this crap happened, you'd be confused, they're leaving Gordon's confusion up to the player, I suppose. [addsig]



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Posted by Quaver on Sun Jan 23rd at 2:33am 2005


? quoting SnarkSephiroth
I've noticed that your airboat wieghs about as much as a feather. Seriously if you shoot it with your grav gun it will fly up and slowly tumble down. It might be a glitch too. Heres a screen. It stays that high for a couple seconds tumbling and then it falls ever so softly down. I found it funny.

The reason it flies into the air is because it has a very low weight so it move realistically for an airboat. Thats why you never have airboat and the gravgun at the same time in the game.

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Posted by Gorbachev on Sun Jan 23rd at 10:19am 2005


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I love the amount of back-story and thought that went into HL2. As far as story goes, there's an insane amount of continuity. Honestly, it seems like a lot of this confusion over the terms they use in the game are purposeful. Valve is pretty big on "putting you in the shoes", so if you just woke up and all this crap happened, you'd be confused, they're leaving Gordon's confusion up to the player, I suppose.


For anyone who believes Valve to be ignoring a lot of details, read Raising the Bar. Then open your mouth again.
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Posted by thursday- on Sun Jan 23rd at 10:47am 2005


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Ok... Can't remember where I found this out, but I did. Stalkers are when the combine take a human for use as a soldier, but then find they don't want it as a soldier or something, so they make it a stalker. The combine soldiers are just same as stalkers but with some muscle and a bit more bulk. I'm not sure if they have full legs or not, you can't tell.


Most likely you read that from : http://fragfiles.org/~hlstory/ . I haven't read it in a while, although it sounds as thought it could be.
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Posted by DocBadwrench on Mon Jan 24th at 8:31pm 2005


This is a very interesting thread. Since the release of Half Life 2, I have been very impressed with both the continuity and the fact that Valve lets us speculate!

So many video games spell this stuff out with giant black crayons rather than using the subtlety that this game does. Rather than dump a lot of exposition on us, Valve put in easter-eggs that would reward those of us who pay attention to the details. Personally, I love that.

A suitable comparison (story-wise) is comparing this game with, say, any of the Metal Gear Solid games. MGS buries you with poorly translated, poorly voiced "story" segments that, ultimately, don't contribute one damned thing to the gameplay. It's just stuff to pound on the controller button to bypass. Needless to say, there's none of that in Half-Life 2.

The more you explain, the more hokey it gets. In the care of another production crew, HL2 could easily have been yet another hokey, schlockey Aliens-conquer-the-world game. My two cents...





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