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Re: take a moment to visit PHL
Posted by Cassius on Sun Sep 7th at 12:54am 2003


From PHL:

"No, you do not have to pay for Steam."





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Re: take a moment to visit PHL
Posted by Gwil on Sun Sep 7th at 1:24am 2003


Cassius loves to bring good news, peace and love to the masses!

As for Orpheus... we'll find something to get you fired bud, don't you worry





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Re: take a moment to visit PHL
Posted by Orpheus on Sun Sep 7th at 1:42am 2003


? posted by Gwil

Cassius loves to bring good news, peace and love to the masses!

As for Orpheus... we'll find something to get you fired bud, don't you worry

*look closely, see my hair moving?*

that made no sense

BTW, its been ages since you and i differed opinion.. wanna go a few rounds

you pick the topic, but try to find one we are on opposite sides on.. should be tuff, since we agree far to often

 

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Re: take a moment to visit PHL
Posted by fraggard on Sun Sep 7th at 12:09pm 2003


From PHL:

That is correct, you'll have to have Steam installed to play the most current version of Half-Life.

This is getting worse and worse as it goes along

HalfLife=Steam, Steam=BroadBand, fraggard != Broadband. fraggard!=Halflife...?





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Re: take a moment to visit PHL
Posted by Gwil on Sun Sep 7th at 1:01pm 2003


Here here fraggard, I just dont have the money let alone the actual technology in this area to look at broadband seriously Nice one Valve, for trying to destroy some of your most dedicated fans...



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Sep 7th at 1:16pm 2003


as bad as it sounds, i had 56k for almost 3 years of my HL life, and honestly, it did not dampen my fun at all.. course you must understand, my online fragging was little more than 5 hours a week total, due to my headaches, but my main fun was mapping, not fragging.. so...

also, my 56k was unlimited access, so any file size that was resumable was no issue for me, i had successfully downloaded in excess of 300 meg files with no errors, and very damned few reconnects, due to a fabulous ISP..

anyways, even if i were on 56k again, i would still have few issues cause i plan on purchasing HL2 and exclusively mapping for it.. i could care less about online time.. save my visits to SP and PFL..

i do agree that valve seems to be complicating the issue abit much tho.. but seriously guys, games cannot hold back for 56k users indefinitely.. the map and texture downloads for HL2 are going to be forking huge.. get used to it..

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Posted by Gwil on Sun Sep 7th at 1:30pm 2003


urgh, 56k must be *good* in america. here i get slow downloads, bad pings, 2hr cut off limits and a subscription fee which seems to be raised every other month. sorry, i just feel particuarly bitter when ive had it since i got a PC... like 4/5 years!



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Sep 7th at 1:46pm 2003


? posted by Gwil
urgh, 56k must be *good* in america. here i get slow downloads, bad pings, 2hr cut off limits and a subscription fee which seems to be raised every other month. sorry, i just feel particuarly bitter when ive had it since i got a PC... like 4/5 years!

i feel for'ya sir

my connections were consistently 4.8 to 5.2 or so.. and unlimited.. for 19 dollars a month.. otherwise, i would prolly feel as you do now..

 

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Posted by Gwil on Sun Sep 7th at 1:48pm 2003


? posted by Orpheus
? posted by Gwil
urgh, 56k must be *good* in america. here i get slow downloads, bad pings, 2hr cut off limits and a subscription fee which seems to be raised every other month. sorry, i just feel particuarly bitter when ive had it since i got a PC... like 4/5 years!

i feel for'ya sir

my connections were consistently 4.8 to 5.2 or so.. and unlimited.. for 19 dollars a month.. otherwise, i would prolly feel as you do now..

 

aye, its pretty terrible at times - does have its good patches though. one of the reasons i quit league play for TFC though, couldnt even keep up with div2/3 (used to be div1/premiership) because of lag issues

as i understand fraggards is even worse... poor guy!





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Posted by gimpinthesink on Sun Sep 7th at 2:15pm 2003


Gwil are you on NTL if so thats the problem for the realybad pings cos I was on that and I had a ping average of around 1000-1500 and my mate who also had a 56k was on freeserve and he had a ping average of around 600



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Posted by Gwil on Sun Sep 7th at 2:20pm 2003


I'm on freeserve anytime, and it's s**t I dont think it makes a difference from ISP to ISP anymore - theres only a few here and there that are remotely good, and when they are revealed the new customers swamp and choke the service.

If the Government/and or BT put their backs into it and brought broadband to everybody we wouldnt really have this problem. Tight f*cks.





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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Sun Sep 7th at 2:21pm 2003


? posted by gimpinthesink
Gwil are you on NTL if so thats the problem for the realybad pings cos I was on that and I had a ping average of around 1000-1500 and my mate who also had a 56k was on freeserve and he had a ping average of around 600

ntlworld = best isp for 56k online gaming imo. I get a ping of 130'ish in hl.

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Posted by Doobie (The fragged) on Mon Sep 8th at 3:14am 2003


Are you all huffing glue? www.geek.com has an excellent article pretaining to this! It's TRUE! and personally I don't think it will be long after the game is released that someone will have a patch to connect you to a free gaming network. Kind of like what Kevin "Script Kiddie" Rose demonstrated on TSS for X-Box.



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Posted by Leperous on Mon Sep 8th at 3:25am 2003


Gwil, it costs them about 200,000 quid to install ADSL equipment in an exchange, so they really need to make money out of it or they'd very quickly go bankrupt... of course, there are schemes to get broadband in rural areas- you can either register your interest via the BT website (yes it is a good idea!), or look into satellite as I hear the government was maybe thinking about helping people out with that soon...





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Posted by Sinner_D on Mon Sep 8th at 3:37am 2003


Hmm, this could also mean they're secretly working on Half-Life the MMORPG!

LMAO thats funny shiet, well i learned my lesson with sims online...NOOOO dont worry, i didnt pay to play that one, but it made me realize how F*CKED UP pay for play is.

yah i can understand that servers need upkeeping and content designers/updaters need paychecks, but to pay the same price as a traditional none PFP game only to turn around and be forced to pay a monthly fee is just rediculious...maybe if these PFP games were free for DL then it might be a different story.

dont forget guys... its only a rumor HOPEFULLY

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Posted by ReNo on Tue Sep 23rd at 4:26pm 2003


I think this is well dead, but I thought I'd just say lep is VERY right about registering interest on the BT website, as at long last North Berwick (my hometown of about 2000 people) has gathered up enough interest (400 I think the requirement is) so they are installing it soon. Pity I've just buggered off to uni really isn't it - soon I'll be making trips home just for some low pinging online gaming

I heard satellite was really bad for online gaming however, but I might have been fed lies. Something to do with it being large data packets but slow transfer, meaning large files are still downloaded quick as you get it all in big sections, but for gaming it doesn't update often enough. Could be bullshit, but with my limited knowledge of how the net works, it sounded reasonable.

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Tue Sep 23rd at 5:24pm 2003


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I heard satellite was really bad for online gaming however, but I might have been fed lies. Something to do with it being large data packets but slow transfer, meaning large files are still downloaded quick as you get it all in big sections, but for gaming it doesn't update often enough.


Well, there's also the matter of how far away the satellite network is... There's the little matter of the time it takes for the signal to get to the satellite and back. Sure the raw transfer is decent, but by the time it initializes, you're dead three times over. [addsig]




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Posted by Gwil on Tue Sep 23rd at 5:37pm 2003


? posted by Leperous

Gwil, it costs them about 200,000 quid to install ADSL equipment in an exchange, so they really need to make money out of it or they'd very quickly go bankrupt... of course, there are schemes to get broadband in rural areas- you can either register your interest via the BT website (yes it is a good idea!), or look into satellite as I hear the government was maybe thinking about helping people out with that soon...

That's just it though, I did that YEARS ago. I think there may finally be progress, as BT went to the trouble of informing people that they can give us broadband but they need people interested in it. Before it was a case of "family PC with a hotmail account for mum, dad and 2 kids. occasionally used for M$ office documents. default ISP from PC world" that proliferated our village, so broadband was too long a word to read, let alone understand.

 





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Posted by sde on Tue Sep 23rd at 10:06pm 2003


BTW, I heard that the problem with sattelite is that it will download at standard DSL speed, but you can't send signals back - as a result, you still need to use your 56k for uploads, everything down to page requests (this is quite obvious when you think about it - do you want a 100m wide sattelite dish in every back garden?). Sky Digital had the same problem, they also just use 56k for their "online and interactive TV". I think that the non-56k interactive TV is, in some way, another channel on the sattelite which can be filtered in just like the others, if you catch my meaning. [addsig]




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