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Posted by Leperous on Wed Jan 26th at 12:33pm 2005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4208363.stm

In a few months, Microsoft has decided that users of pirated versions of WinXP will still be able to download critical security updates, but most other patches won't be available.

It's cunning, but slightly misses the point: if Windows XP itself can be pirated, how hard will it be to h4x0r the patches to work on pirated computers too?





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Posted by Myrk- on Wed Jan 26th at 1:25pm 2005

Jeeze, China has 92% piracy rate! LOL [addsig]



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Posted by Andrei on Wed Jan 26th at 2:41pm 2005

Big deal, I know a whole bunch of people that use a *taboo* version of WINXP and don't give a damn about Microsoft's pathetic security updates (and SPack2 blocks DC++, yet allows 55% of the worms and trojans out there to infest your PC, that is why I refuse to update.).
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Posted by Wild Card on Wed Jan 26th at 2:58pm 2005

That would be me. I have taboo versions for XP pro, and XP pro corp. And no, I dont give a damn about the security updates.

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Posted by OtZman on Wed Jan 26th at 3:04pm 2005

Cheers! Finally those updates won't infect my pc!
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Posted by Crono on Wed Jan 26th at 8:03pm 2005

They've basically said, "If you pirate it, you wont be bombarded with updates". I think the piracy rate will increase. [addsig]



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Posted by thursday- on Wed Jan 26th at 8:32pm 2005

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That would be me. I have taboo versions for XP pro, and XP pro corp. And no, I dont give a damn about the security updates.



I got one like that, but I'm currently using OEM home because I can't get any updates at all with the copied version, which I originally got for my 3 year old computer before it blew up.

I'm all for this, because in the last couple of years, since wanting to get in to the games industry and watching movies alot at the cinema because piracy is a problem, and such a big one we could end up losing out on technological advances in the future and potentially cripple media industries.

I also never update my computer, especially after the SP2 fiasco I heard about.
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Posted by Crono on Wed Jan 26th at 8:45pm 2005

Thursday, please. Do you have any idea how much money they're making? I assure you, with all of the "piracy problems" they haven't lost much.

I've had this discussion in my Ethics course a billion times and it really pisses me off. Why is it SO crazy and unethical for one person to pirate something yet, it is completely fine for the company providing it to charge an insane amount of money, one of which covers 200% profit? The only argument that I've heard that holds ANY water is that: They're providing a service. However, those companies try to entice you, which are another ethical conversation on it's own. I believe the conversation weened over to Windows. And people argued that it is a service and you don't have to buy it. But, Microsoft goes out of their way to contract software companies to develop for them. So, you would be forced to use their product. I'm just getting sick of this double standard. Why would an individual be held to an ethical code when a group of them aren't?

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Posted by $loth on Wed Jan 26th at 8:50pm 2005

Good thing I'm getting suse 9.2 in a couple of days.
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Posted by Andrei on Wed Jan 26th at 8:58pm 2005

? quote:
They've basically said, "If you pirate it, you wont be bombarded with updates". I think the piracy rate will increase.


Thats what I think about STEAM. It's sooooo annoying that it actually encourages people to buy pirate CDs that have NOSteam cracks.
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Posted by thursday- on Wed Jan 26th at 9:04pm 2005

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Thursday, please. Do you have any idea how much money they're making? I assure you, with all of the "piracy problems" they haven't lost much.

I've had this discussion in my Ethics course a billion times and it really pisses me off. Why is it SO crazy and unethical for one person to pirate something yet, it is completely fine for the company providing it to charge an insane amount of money, one of which covers 200% profit? The only argument that I've heard that holds ANY water is that: They're providing a service. However, those companies try to entice you, which are another ethical conversation on it's own. I believe the conversation weened over to Windows. And people argued that it is a service and you don't have to buy it. But, Microsoft goes out of their way to contract software companies to develop for them. So, you would be forced to use their product. I'm just getting sick of this double standard. Why would an individual be held to an ethical code when a group of them aren't?

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It started off as an individual, but now, it seems its more than a small group of individuals that have pirated copies of movies, games, software. I mean out of the group of people at my college, 95% of us have bought pirated goods. In years to come, the industries will decline alot more than they have started to. It's not individuals or people 'borrowing' an original copy and burning I'm worried about, it's the overall coverage of the question, "What if everyone decides they want to pirate?". In almost all cases, if you could get something the same or near same quality at a much smaller price, you would go for it. So piracy is starting to begin a 'revolution', using the term loosely that is. Hooray for things like Steam I say
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Posted by $loth on Wed Jan 26th at 9:13pm 2005

Depends on where you are, I know that most people in my media class have never downloaded a movie them selves, 3 of them have got a copy from a friend and 12 of them have downloaded music [all of that media being illegal] but none of them do it regularly or have downloaded albums. I don't think that will affect the music Industry one bit, neither would it be if every school in the country had "statistics" like that.

p.s. None of those statistics include me.

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Posted by xconspirisist on Wed Jan 26th at 11:23pm 2005

Awesome idea, microsoft gets a bad name for stuff they should not be accused of - providing for little pirates is one of the things they should not have to deal with. Good for them. Although, I will still use Linux.

It is the RIAA that I cannot abide by.

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Posted by Gorbachev on Wed Jan 26th at 11:53pm 2005

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Big deal, I know a whole bunch of people that use a *taboo* version of WINXP and don't give a damn about Microsoft's pathetic security updates (and SPack2 blocks DC++, yet allows 55% of the worms and trojans out there to infest your PC, that is why I refuse to update.).


Are you talking DevC++? I have it on my machine with SP2 and no problems.
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Posted by Gorbachev on Wed Jan 26th at 11:54pm 2005

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Awesome idea, microsoft gets a bad name for stuff they should not be accused of - providing for little pirates is one of the things they should not have to deal with. Good for them. Although, I will still use Linux.

It is the RIAA that I cannot abide by.



I'd agree there. MS gets blamed for a lot of stuff that shouldn't be warranted. The RIAA on the other hand...they're living in the stone age and they're swinging their clubs. I'm making a note to never buy associated CDs of theirs anymore.
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Posted by SaintGreg on Thu Jan 27th at 2:19am 2005

I think hes talking about DC++ the peer to peer file sharing program.

I have a legit copy of XPpro and I sure as hell wouldn't dl any updates from microsoft. And you better believe my next computer will only touch win32 by wine.
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Posted by Myrk- on Thu Jan 27th at 2:23am 2005

I find SP2 ok, makes networking easier so I don't complain. [addsig]



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Posted by Gorbachev on Thu Jan 27th at 2:45am 2005

The majority of stuff that was "broken" was just the fact that the firewall had defaults that were technically security holes. I'm not saying it fixed them, but it just shows what's actually open all the time on a system. Use a P2P and set the ports on your own, there are plenty that work just fine on SP2 with no issues.
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Posted by $loth on Thu Jan 27th at 7:22am 2005

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I think hes talking about DC++ the peer to peer file sharing program.

I have a legit copy of XPpro and I sure as hell wouldn't dl any updates from microsoft. And you better believe my next computer will only touch win32 by wine.


I think it's suse 9.2 which comes with wine I'm getting it tomoz hopefully
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Posted by Crono on Thu Jan 27th at 7:24am 2005

? quote:? quote:I think hes talking about DC++ the peer to peer file sharing program.

I have a legit copy of XPpro and I sure as hell wouldn't dl any updates
from microsoft. And you better believe my next computer will only
touch win32 by wine.



I think it's suse 9.2 which comes with wine I'm getting it tomoz hopefully



Wine is free. Wine-X isn't. And yes, SuSE comes with a billion and one packages. It'll literally take up about 15Gb is you installed EVERYTHING, which I don't recommend, but, Wine is included, you have to configure it though.

Oh, and the carification was simply because Wine-X is made to simulate DirectX ... meaning games (potentially). [addsig]




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