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Posted by RaPtoR on Wed Jan 26th at 8:19pm 2005

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Oh come on! NOONE hates Gates for being "a BIG icon of capitalism". Its just because most people use his OS,


Well i do. And i didn't say everybody did, i said it was a good reason.

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The internet would only consist of absolute geeks, and it would be completely s**t. For people that actually have a life, Microsoft is fine.


Microsoft has nothing, or very little, to do with the creation of internet.

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The fact that we really have hatred for a guy who designed the OS we use is terrifyingly sad:


Bill gates nor microsoft invented the window and icon based GUI. He just copied it. I think i said somthing like this about it: "The sterring wheel is one of the most important important parts of a car. Even though, noone's patented it".

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  • Lack of political stability
  • Local hoarding of resources
  • Poor industrial infrastructure development following WWII
  • Overpopulation
  • Pollution, especially of water supply
  • Disease
  • Genocide
  • Rebel factions
  • Debt
  • Lingering consequences of slavery and racism
  • Too much weaponry lying around, begging to be used


I'm not talking about direct reasons im talking about indirect ones. Capitalism is not a direct reason and that makes it difficult for ppl to see why it would be so bad. But it creates for example pollution and overpopulation as you've mentioned above. Capitalism is about earning money, no matter the consequenses. Example: dumping my hazardus waste in the water instead of paying lots of money tranporting it somewhere else and taking care of it.
And you forgot about one reason: US sucking oil out of the world, using the tools of war and corruption. Now thats capitalism at it's peak.
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Posted by $loth on Wed Jan 26th at 8:28pm 2005

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Microsoft has nothing, or very little, to do with the creation of internet.
true, but they did have a major imapct by making IE free with their OS and therefore almost eliminating companys that sell browsers such as netscape.
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Posted by Crono on Wed Jan 26th at 8:31pm 2005

All they "did" was make it more readily available to the average consumer (by convincing them they had to pay for everything, for starters). Since, Windows/Microsoft already had a foot hold at that time. And I believe you guys are talking about The Web, not the Internet. Remember, Internet has been around since the 70s or so, the Webs been around since '95. [addsig]



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Posted by fishy on Wed Jan 26th at 8:33pm 2005

i always thought that capitalism was when i put my life savings into building a windmill. and even though i don't own a farm or have any crops, i let other people bring their wheat to grind, and i will charge them some money for this, or even take some of the flour. then i could sell the flour to Freddy, my cousin, because he used his life savings to build a huge oven that could bake 50 loaves of bread at the same time. etc......

putting money up front to create something that can be used to generate wealth = capitalism. there are too many examples of this being a good thing to go any farther than Freddys bakery.

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Posted by thursday- on Wed Jan 26th at 8:35pm 2005

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Microsoft has nothing, or very little, to do with the creation of internet.
true, but they did have a major imapct by making IE free with their OS and therefore almost eliminating companys that sell browsers such as netscape.


Mircrosoft = Smart. They knew where the money was to be earned
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Posted by Gwil on Wed Jan 26th at 8:37pm 2005

Overpopulation is the fault of religious teachings and high infant mortality rates in underdeveloped countries, not capitalism.

If anything capitalism has slowed down population growth massively, particularly in western europe.
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Posted by Mephs on Wed Jan 26th at 8:43pm 2005

RaPtoR, your a capitalist. Real leftys don't have computers, and comfy homes, they go out and live in a cabin in the mountains, writing manifestos and occasionally bombing places.

You protest too much, and generally, anyone that far to the left but NOT some kind of activist is overcompensating/rebelling against a conservative upbringing.

*puts a protest sign in RaPtoRs hands and points him in the direction of the government.
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Posted by $loth on Wed Jan 26th at 8:51pm 2005

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Microsoft has nothing, or very little, to do with the creation of internet.
true, but they did have a major imapct by making IE free with their OS and therefore almost eliminating companys that sell browsers such as netscape.


Mircrosoft = Smart. They knew where the money was to be earned


They always have. And how to crush the competition, not sure about FF though.
*checks chart*
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Posted by $loth on Wed Jan 26th at 8:54pm 2005

Jan 2004:
IE6: 71.3%
IE5: 12.8%
Opera 7: 2.1%
FF/Mozilla: 8.2%
Netscape(4+7): 2%

December 2004:
IE6: 65.4%
IE5: 4.5%
Opera 7: 2.1%
FF/Mozilla: 22.8%
Netscape(4+7): 1.4%

Opera grew a bit [by about.2%] but then went back down.
IE6 went up to 72.6% in may but then declined.

Mozilla said that their goal was to get 10% of the browser users by the end of 2004, I think they did well
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Posted by RaPtoR on Wed Jan 26th at 8:59pm 2005

Gwil: Well i could draw up a whole bunch of accosiations that starts with overpopulation and ends with capitalism, but i won't cuz this political discusion is making me tired. So i admin your right on that one.

Mephs: I saved money for 10 years and built my computer myself, component after component and i live on a little hut in a desert and powering my computer with a small bicycle.

Loth: MOZILLA POWER!!!!
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Posted by DrGlass on Wed Jan 26th at 9:38pm 2005

I think one of the leading resons for problems in Africa is their history. Most 1st world countrys have had hunders of years to get where they are today, All but one african country has been under the rule of a Western nation at one point or another. Many have only just gotten their independance, they have not had time to set up an infastructure to support themselfs. Many were also left in a power vacum, which leads to civil war.

Others countrys were dare I say f*cked hard by their parent countrys, a good example would be the hutu and tutsi (sp?) the english basicaly invented a diffrence between these two groups of people and then made one seem more important than the other.

/but what do I know
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Posted by Gwil on Thu Jan 27th at 12:38am 2005

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I think one of the leading resons for problems in Africa is their history. Most 1st world countrys have had hunders of years to get where they are today, All but one african country has been under the rule of a Western nation at one point or another. Many have only just gotten their independance, they have not had time to set up an infastructure to support themselfs. Many were also left in a power vacum, which leads to civil war.

Others countrys were dare I say f*cked hard by their parent countrys, a good example would be the hutu and tutsi (sp?) the english basicaly invented a diffrence between these two groups of people and then made one seem more important than the other.

/but what do I know


Exactly - colonial legacies are the chief problem for these countries in Africa - but! most got their independence in the 60's/70's (UN acting as it "should") glory days

And please dont blame entirely Britain, it has a lot to do with the cold war and the USSR/USA. Meddling superpowers trying to impose "civilised" morals will never work. Check check Iraq Check check Iran.

You can go back to the worlds most recent + cold war problems (out of our hands TBH) and see that US/UK/USSR interference and narcissim to work their own ends is to blame for a lot of the problems erupting, well, erupted from the 60's onward.

Dividing natural contours and tribal lines is not a good idea. Too bad the damage has been done on that front.
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Posted by BlisTer on Thu Jan 27th at 1:27am 2005

? quoting RaPtoR
powering my computer with a small bicycle.


i think you just came with a solution for nerds to stay in shape

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Posted by $loth on Thu Jan 27th at 7:24am 2005

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powering my computer with a small bicycle.


i think you just came with a solution for nerds to stay in shape



Good thing I got a new inner tube yesturday, my mongoose pro has been sitting in the hall way since summer
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Posted by DrGlass on Thu Jan 27th at 8:27am 2005

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And please dont blame entirely Britain, it has a lot to do with the cold war and the USSR/USA. Meddling superpowers trying to impose "civilised" morals will never work. Check check Iraq Check check Iran.


That was just one example, the UK in my opinion wasn't as bad as other countrys(like the US for example).

I agree with you on all points. It seems the areas of the world with the most problems seem to be the ones what were created with no thought of historic native conflicts. "Group A hates group B? lets divide up all their land and give group B a huge part of group A's land! brilliant"
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Posted by Andrei on Thu Jan 27th at 9:54am 2005

If you're thinking about Bush's war in Iraq, then i must say that the people of Iraq would have been better-off with Saddam. He killed less people than this war did anyway.

And I think this "hatred" is caused by all the annoying faults Windows and other microsoft products have, and is oriented, wrongly, at the F?hrer of the company. That's the way ALL humans tend to think, but others refrain themselves better than others.
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Posted by Leperous on Thu Jan 27th at 11:35am 2005

That's a very short-sighted and factually-unsupported statement, Andrei!





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Posted by Andrei on Thu Jan 27th at 5:13pm 2005

Maybe. But I was talking about subcontious reactions . Here's a common example: your want to d/l something. You wait 2 hrs, and when the bar reaches 90%, the computer crashes. You reboot, hoping that you'll be able to resume. You can't. You're p*ssed, really p*ssed. Most people tend to attack the monitor when logically the problem is in the main block (I heard a guy threw his mouse at the monitor when the machine crashed while he was playing CS online! Then there was another guy who, having problems with his comp, bashed the monitor with the keyboard. I could go on, but i've said too many stupid stuff already).
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Posted by $loth on Thu Jan 27th at 5:21pm 2005

Yes, because a game crashing is completely the same as a war.
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Posted by Andrei on Thu Jan 27th at 5:22pm 2005

That's not the subject of my post. :/ [addsig]




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