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Posted by DrGlass on Fri Jan 28th at 12:20am 2005

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The allied nations didn't really do much when Germany started killing off every person they deemed unfit to live. They are all to blame.

Er, do you know how or why WWII started? How were the Allies meant to know what was going on in these places so early? And even when they found out, what, they're meant to just bomb the crap out of these places with complete disregard to the innocent people inside?

Quite oftens things which seem like someone having a hidden agenda or are being lazy AREN'T because of that- they're simply because you don't have the full picture of a full understanding of the factors!



I admit when I think back I dont have a full mental picture, but from what I remeber they really didn't do much more than wag their finger at the nazis.

I would blame the German public more than the outside world, but it could be argued that anyone who wanted to do somthing didn't because they would have ended up with the people they wanted to save.
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Posted by Cassius on Fri Jan 28th at 12:29am 2005

What is there to discuss? It was arguably the worst tragedy in modern history.

As I received an extremely liberal education wherein the discussion of differences between groups was unacceptable, it was not until I entered high school (!) that I first noticed that people were differentiating 'Jews' from 'white people'. Honestly, anti-semetic stereotypes still don't make sense to me; I haven't the slightest idea as to why Jews have been singled out for hate and oppression not just once or in specific situations, but constantly throughout Western history.





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Posted by Gwil on Fri Jan 28th at 12:36am 2005

Errrr

They didn't know, American joined the war late, the Red Army was on the run and Europe was in the grip of fascism. Saying they didn't do anything ignores just about every context the whole dismal affair was set in.

Let alone the fact the final solution was implemented until late 1941 at the earliest, arguably the height of Axis power.

No-one is to "blame" DrGlass, that's completely the wrong way of approaching the event.
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Posted by Gwil on Fri Jan 28th at 12:39am 2005

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What is there to discuss? It was arguably the worst tragedy in modern history.

As I received an extremely liberal education wherein the discussion of differences between groups was unacceptable, it was not until I entered high school (!) that I first noticed that people were differentiating 'Jews' from 'white people'. Honestly, anti-semetic stereotypes still don't make sense to me; I haven't the slightest idea as to why Jews have been singled out for hate and oppression not just once or in specific situations, but constantly throughout Western history.



It's ingrained in the culture. You can read documents dating back thousands of years detailing how Jews are often portrayed as evil/tight/moneybags etc. Go read The Merchant of Venice for a good example

And yeah, I know a lot of Jews died, but that's my point proved - no-one particularly cares to mention the other groups that were persecuted..

Also it is a little sad when Jews, under the hand of suffering for thousands of years, learn by their demons and indefensibly supress the people of Palestine. Is that excusable, just because of the Holocaust.

Lot of double standards TBH.
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Posted by sniky44 on Fri Jan 28th at 1:13am 2005

i don't have much to say about it, my mom just asked me to read a book on it, which i did yesterday. i think that in light of the "bombing inocennt people" thing, what about the adom bombs on the japense? tell me that was wrong... tell me that you don't have to take extreme measures to stop horrible things... tell me that even if your mom was killed by some group, and they were after the rest of your family, you would wait until all the "inoccent" people were out before you freakin blew the place apart. my point being, inoccent people will die, they always will die, they always HAVE died. it's not going to stop just becuase we all want it too, it's going to happen! also, there are people in this world that actually do the evil that happens, a lot of people think that the whole holocaust (sorry if i spelled it wrong) was made up by the jews so that people would pity them... but like Gwil said, that's not possible becuase it happened to other "groups". I'm mormon, and mormons were freely killed when the church was reorganized, i don't think about it too much, except that being in amercia and wanting to worship whoever we please, wasn't true. it may be now, but people are still made fun of etc. becuase of there beiliefs. i can understand the whole thing a little, but becuase i wasn't alive then, i can't exactly relate to what it was like. i'm sorry guys, i get really riled up about things like this smiley
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Posted by Agent Smith on Fri Jan 28th at 1:47am 2005

I think its quite obvious how horrible the Holocaust was, and that not much more really needs to be said. Gwil's right in that it wasn't just the Jewish people who were persecuted by the Nazi's, but a whole swag of "inferior" minorities were also targeted in an effort to create a pure aryan race free of imperfection and weakness. The world also learnt its lesson about such people like Hitler, which is why the UN and Nato became involved in Bosnia when they found out about ethnic cleansing. [addsig]




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