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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Sun Jan 30th at 5:41am 2005

I don't see why people should be forced to wait before posting their maps or be forced to make comments. It'll only drive away potentially good mappers. Besides, I'd rather have no involvement over forced involvement. People should want to comment, not be pushed into doing so. Not allowing new people to post maps defeats the purpose of this site, plus if you look at most of the people who signed up and never participated in the community almost none of them have posted maps in their profiles.

What should be done is to simply say at signup: "If you expect people to comment or critique your map then you should return the favor and comment on other people's maps."

And really, why do we need to prevent people from posting if they are new? If they've lurked at all and learned a little about the community there's no reason to additionally punish them. I'd say all forced probationary periods and waiting times are unnecessary and really prove nothing about the person other than they have patience, and the negatives far outweigh the positives.

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Posted by G.Ballblue on Sun Jan 30th at 5:53am 2005

? quoting Cassius
6. Some standard of community involvement should be expected - posting a map or editing question and then leaving should not be simply looked down upon, but against the rules. To get comments on a map, it should be required of new members to make comments on other maps. (Perhaps that should be the probation - new users should be prevented from posting threads in Editing and Maps for a month, and General for a shorter period of time).

I don't think they should be prevented from entering general banter ... I don't think chatting with the community is a bad idea Preventing threads in the editing section for a month seems a little to much, for instance, what if a newbie genuinly comes up against a problem they can't figure out within the first month? I'd say more about a week really -- they should be able to do all their bug fixing/searching within that time.

Also, I was kinda surprised when I noticed that most newbies sign up only for the editing forum -- despite that I was one of the most despised newbies of all time, my first post here was in the maps forum.

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Posted by BlisTer on Sun Jan 30th at 7:24am 2005

? quoting Cassius

4. All personal arguments should be kept to PM's (I'm terrible at this, I know, but I try).

keep in mind that if you want this to be carried out in all justice, the moderators are gonna have to be harsh to their buddies that break this rule sometimes.

Its going to be hard, even for the oldschoolers, for 2 reasons:

1) lazyness or simply being fired up in a certain discussion and forgetting the rule for a minute. (mostly)

2) wanting to be e-cool in front of e-buddies by bashing someone into the ground.

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Posted by Cash Car Star on Sun Jan 30th at 7:38am 2005

I don't appreciate any sort of system which looks to limit the usage of the site for new members. Problems are rare and dealt with fairly on a case by case basis, and I see no reason to depart from this system.



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Posted by JFry on Sun Jan 30th at 8:13am 2005

? quoting G.Ballblue

despite that I was one of the most despised newbies of all time, my first post here was in the maps forum.

You know something G.Ballblue I have alot of respect for you. You have indeed taken alot of crap upon arriving here, and not once have I seen you lose your cool. Hats off bro.

About having a screening process. I think things are fine just the way they are. The mods do a good job and the community has a high (but not TOO strict) standard. Things are good here. Besides that I think most of the hl2 onslaught is starting to subside.





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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jan 30th at 10:00am 2005

Screening would only work if the people doing it were committed to the idea. no half hearted attempts, or token offers.

i do not think one is needed here, but on the same note, i detest members who only arrive to post their maps and leave. when someone arrives with a completed map and it shows obvious signs that it truly needed our input, it should not be permitted to remain.

i do not however feel that members should have to participate in the questions/answers process. some would never post, if they were forced to comment elsewhere, and even if they never show up again. the database benefits from the question, even if it only shows that no one can answer it.

we all have our niggles, mine is abhorrent screen shot sizes, Cassius's is spelling, etc.etc. but when our niggles effect our judgment, then we need to assess our priorities. i do not allow my image thing to effect my views of the maps themselves, just the asswipe who posted them.

bottomline, we don't need one at this time. i do however feel that if a member of note, notices something that needs addressed, that it should be taken quite seriously, even if its only done via PM.

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Posted by fraggard on Sun Jan 30th at 10:22am 2005

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I don't appreciate any sort of system which looks to limit the usage of the site for new members. Problems are rare and dealt with fairly on a case by case basis, and I see no reason to depart from this system.


Seconded.




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Posted by Leperous on Sun Jan 30th at 10:30am 2005

? quoting Cash Car Star
I don't appreciate any sort of system which looks to limit the usage of the site for new members. Problems are rare and dealt with fairly on a case by case basis, and I see no reason to depart from this system.

The system I've got going now does that- whacking a daily post limit on certain annoying members- and coupled with wanton topic deletion (along with a PM to notify you) I think everything's under control without going too far





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Posted by Leperous on Sun Jan 30th at 12:07pm 2005

On a similar topic, SomethingAwful have had a go at the HL2World forums and all the n00bs there



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Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Jan 30th at 1:05pm 2005

Thank goodness we don't have anyone, or many people, like that. Damn .

I think screening people is probably taking it a bit far (yes I know, I was the lame arse who suggested it), but perhaps a trial period might be the way to go.

The new member is given full privelages available to every other member, but they have to go through a 1-2 month trial period. I've noticed that most of the new members who do go off the deep end seem to do it almost as soon as they join up. When a new member joins they are told of the trial period in which any hanky panky will result in first a warning and revoking of most privelages, and if they continue on the same way, a lifetime or 1 year bannning, you can decide the punishment.

The system wouldn't be hard to implement, with the general community keeping an eye on the behavior of the new member. If they do act up a moderator is contacted who takes the appropriate measures against them.

It's essentially the same as what we have now except the new member is aware of the code of conduct and subsequent consequences of breaking it from the get go, encouraging better behaviour from the beginning. The trial period would then serve as an adjustment period, where the new member can get the hang of how the code of conduct and the general community operates.
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Posted by parakeet on Sun Jan 30th at 2:40pm 2005

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? quoting Cash Car Star
I don't appreciate any sort of system which looks to limit the usage of the site for new members. Problems are rare and dealt with fairly on a case by case basis, and I see no reason to depart from this system.

The system I've got going now does that- whacking a daily post limit on certain annoying members- and coupled with wanton topic deletion (along with a PM to notify you) I think everything's under control without going too far



I think when a i first tried out the general banter forums. a month after i got here i got one of those pm's. The first day in fact , i was feeling really good that morning and started a post "GOOD MORNING WORLD" , Im not sure if lep felt the same ;P. I learned not to post useless stuff scince ^_^.

edit: i found it ! http://www.snarkpit.com/forums.php?forum=1&topic=1646&highlight=GOOD,MORNING
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Posted by Andrei on Sun Jan 30th at 4:12pm 2005

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On a similar topic, SomethingAwful have had a go at the HL2World forums and all the n00bs there


I don't think they're n00bs, I think they're just plain stupid. If not, then they must be n00bs who evolved into something the human mind cannot conceive.
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Posted by XenNetwork on Sun Jan 30th at 4:17pm 2005

I dont like the screening system, if we filtered out all the n00bs, the word n00b will never exsits at snark pit thus
all the good people but slightly bad at making maps would be called n00bs, and then that would be dumb




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Posted by parakeet on Sun Jan 30th at 4:41pm 2005

Noob almost has a real definition. Anybody who is either , A flamer with nothing to back himself up with , A person who spams , A person who puts 5 minutes with no effort into a map & THEN releases it. As its one thing to make it but to release it is just horrendous & one who evilly critques somebody when he cant do much better
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Posted by Bobv on Sun Jan 30th at 4:49pm 2005

how about a filter that checks all submitted map names for "fun" "box" or "kill" and automatically rejects them, but gives the submitter a 404 error




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Posted by XenNetwork on Sun Jan 30th at 5:34pm 2005

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how about a filter that checks all submitted map names for "fun" "box" or "kill" and automatically rejects them, but gives the submitter a 404 error


HA Now that i 100% agree on




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Posted by Crono on Sun Jan 30th at 8:18pm 2005

it should also block "fy_" and "aim_" [addsig]



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Posted by Dred_furst on Sun Jan 30th at 8:44pm 2005

whats wrong with fy_ maps? maybe a mod needs to check the maps before allowing them ^^
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Posted by DrGlass on Sun Jan 30th at 10:05pm 2005

I think the best way to limit the useless crap that some people will put on this web site is to give members who 'give a damn' about the site the power to 'flag' members, posts, or maps that have no purpose.

Perhaps any member with 500/1000/2000 somthing' snark marks gets a button to set a flag on the item that is detracting from the site. Then the person who is responcible for said item will get a friendly little pop up saying that "## of people flagged this post"

Then once some one got a high enough flag to post ratio they would be alerted to the admin.

It would kind of be like the warn feture on AIM.
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Posted by Cassius on Sun Jan 30th at 10:09pm 2005

? quoting XenNetwork
I dont like the screening system, if we filtered out all the n00bs, the word n00b will never exsits at snark pit thus
all the good people but slightly bad at making maps would be called n00bs, and then that would be dumb

Who else is seeing the irony here?






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