Posted by Gwil on Mon Feb 21st at 1:38am 2005
Where we have cancer, they have heart disease and various other problems too. The problem with the west is not so much discipline from the start, its the attitudes toward food.
Packet/ready meals - unnutritious, not filling, expensive, convenient.
Delis, cafes, burger bars, mexicans, pizza, donuts, candy floss etc shops. Everywhere - food, is everywhere. Not just in the street in the city though - all over the TV, the radio, the media. Everywhere.
Lack of cooking - by parents, and young adults alike. See the point about convenience.
Greed. One of the downfalls of societies based on excess and luxury.
Plus hundreds of other reasons, but I see those as the factoring issues. [addsig]
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Posted by mazemaster on Mon Feb 21st at 3:53am 2005
LOLZ
Sunnis have jack piss all to do with Al Qaeda (again, you can't track or hunt down an idea), and never have or had done.
Almost everyday in the news I see reports of innocent Iraqi civilians being bombed or Iraqi government leaders getting assassinated. That *IS* terrorism. Last time I checked you didn't need to be a member of Al-Qaeda to be a terrorist. [addsig]
Posted by fraggard on Mon Feb 21st at 4:34am 2005
LOLZ
Sunnis have jack piss all to do with Al Qaeda (again, you can't track or hunt down an idea), and never have or had done.
Almost everyday in the news I see reports of innocent Iraqi civilians being bombed or Iraqi government leaders getting assassinated. That *IS* terrorism. Last time I checked you didn't need to be a member of Al-Qaeda to be a terrorist.
(OT, I know)
Internal strife exists in all countries and arises due to various issues beyond the comprehension of an outsider. These issues cannot be solved by some western "superpower's" incessant meddling. NATO countries are just making things worse by attempting to mediate in issues they cannot begin to analyze, leave alone understand.
<tinfoilhat>Look up Britain's Divide and Conquer tactics in Africa and Asia. I see similarities in Iraq</tinfoilhat>
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Posted by $loth on Mon Feb 21st at 7:36am 2005
Packet/ready meals - unnutritious, not filling, expensive, convenient.
I went with my mum yesturyay when she went shopping, they have ready everthing. From lasange to lamb hot pot. People just getting lazy these days.
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Posted by satchmo on Mon Feb 21st at 4:38pm 2005
The fast-paced work schedule of the modern world contributes greatly to the obesity crisis. I work fourteen hours a day, with merely ten minutes for lunch and dinner. I commute between two work sites, so I frequently end up grabbing some fast food for meals.
Even though I know what not to eat, I simply don't have time to prepare healthy meals for myself. At least I try to select the healthier options on the menu. I barely have time to go home and take a shower before I fall asleep from exhaustion.
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Posted by Gwil on Mon Feb 21st at 4:45pm 2005
The advent of "The War on Terror" has legitimised persecution and government opression, easily brushed aside by labelling the people they attack as terrorists - Russia, Indonesia, Pakistan, South America (already paying huge prices for the legacy of western meddling).. etc etc.
The "terrorists" in Iraq are Shias and Sunnis, probably Iranian and Syrian funded and both aiming for different outcomes - but their one common goal is getting out the invaders. I'd be pretty pissed off if my countries infrastructure was brought to a standstill by an invasion and illegal occupation based on lies and guesswork.
I don't condone the bombing/shooting/murder of civilians, but "terrorists" has been applied to a force who for the most part are targeting the American forces. They see them as occupying illegally and treading in the holy land. The cause for hearts and minds isn't exactly helped when thousands of lbs of explosives are employed near the ancient sites connected to Babylon/Persia, either.
Something has to be done about dictators, but when you do it based on lies rather than actual principles, and when it is America doing the occupation, I think it's always going to be a recipe for trouble. No offence or generalisation of the US armed forces intended, but the track record and general intelligence of the recruits isn't condusive to bringing stability to a region which loathes you already.
90% of the problems experienced now with the insurgency could have been better controlled or outright stopped with careful planning and a more tactful approach. Leaving open the border to Syria for weeks and not patrolling arms dumps is just inviting trouble. [addsig]
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Posted by satchmo on Mon Feb 21st at 4:52pm 2005
I think the U.S. became trigger-happy after Sept. 11th. Imagine if you were a policeman. If your partner or you got shot once, would you hesistate for a long time before pulling the trigger if you perceive your life may be threatened?
Even though I disagree with the war, I can understand why Bush launched the preemptive strike in Iraq. I think they genuinely believed there was a threat, and they acted on it. The perceived threat turned out to be imaginary, but the action was deemed necessary because of a tragic memory of a previous attack that wasn't acted upon.
Indirectly, all Iraqis can blame their problems on Bin Laden. If 9/11 never happened, there is no way that the U.S. was going to attack Iraq.
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Posted by Gwil on Mon Feb 21st at 4:55pm 2005
Bin Laden and terrorists are scapegoats for arrogant western attitudes and forced exportation of "freedom and democracy". You can't waltz in and impose your idealised view of a system it took Europe and America hundreds of years to achieve, it just doesn't, and won't work.
but thats another discussion for another time, I guess. Highly relevant seeing as Dubya has come to repair links with our overly liberal bureacractic moral overlords. Sorry, European leader is what I meant to say. [addsig]
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Posted by satchmo on Mon Feb 21st at 5:18pm 2005
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Posted by Gwil on Mon Feb 21st at 5:22pm 2005
Be a strained one with Jacques Chirac too, after it turned out France was trading with Iraq and exploiting oil for food. Swings and roundabouts, all of it. Just good to know we have such morally devoid people running the planet.
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Posted by satchmo on Mon Feb 21st at 5:37pm 2005
To bring the discussion back to the original topic, here is a relevant article that might be amusing:
Stacy Estrada's reaction was immediate and intense. With hand to mouth, she stared in disbelief at the sight before her: a 300-pound cadaver, dissected lengthwise, showing a thick layer of fat around its midsection and surrounding its vital organs.
"Look at this!" she said, hand still over mouth. "This is all fat!"
"He had a pacemaker," a woman next to her noted, pointing to the small metallic device embedded in his chest. Her voice dripping with irony, she added, "I wonder why."
Body Worlds, the anatomically correct exhibit of plastinated cadavers and body parts, is back at the California Science Center for a return engagement, with new specimens. The first Body Worlds exhibit at the museum ran from July to January and drew about 660,000 visitors to see bodies preserved through a process that replaces body fluids with plastic. The show includes whole skinless bodies placed in lifelike poses, or dissected to illustrate the inner workings. Various body portions show bone, nerve, muscle and arteries.
German anatomist Gunther von Hagens created the exhibit to educate the public about the inner workings of the human body and to warn of the consequences of not taking care of it. The first show featured a set of blackened smoker's lungs, and the current one, which runs through March 27, includes a shriveled, cirrhosis-ravaged liver.
It also houses "Suicide by Fat ? Obesity Revealed," an element of the exhibit with a not-so-subtle message about the deleterious effects of excess weight. While the majority of the bodies donated reveal no hint about how the people died or at what age, this one does. A small plaque reveals that the man, who now lies in pieces on a mirrored table, died at age 50 from "malfunction of the heart." He had an enlarged spleen, a fatty liver and so much flab that it draped off his body like spilled pudding.
Adults and children who filed by the exhibit did little to hide their consternation as they reacted with furrowed brows, shaking heads and an occasional "Oh, my God." Everyone has seen an overweight body, but seldom from the inside. For many, it was a wake-up call.
"I'm just amazed at how this person was being squished by his fat," said Estrada, a 19-year-old college student from Covina. "This is a person trapped inside his fat. No more fast food for me, that's for sure."
"I'm grossed out, but I can't not look," said 29-year-old Aurora Romero, a drafter from Long Beach. "It's interesting to see all that fat. But I can't look at it very long." The upshot of all this? "It makes me want to lose weight really badly," she added.
Throughout the afternoon there was much swearing off of bad food and many promises to exercise regularly. For some, it was reinforcement of healthier lifestyles already adopted.
"I saw 'Super Size Me' last year, and I haven't eaten at McDonald's since," said Gus Rios, referring to the documentary chronicling the ill effects of eating nothing but fast food for a month.
Rios, 34, who was at the exhibit with his 10-year-old son, Alex, added, "I'm trying to be more healthy, and I've been teaching him that it's not fun growing up overweight."
They were the kinds of reactions Von Hagens had hoped for. "I want to address the main health hazards and killers which shorten our life span," he said by phone from his hotel room in China.
He said he made an exception to reveal the obese man's age and cause of death because "in his case, the cause of death and his plight in life were so much connected to his anatomy."
Von Hagens wanted to include obesity in the first Body Worlds show, which debuted in Osaka, Japan, in 1995, but he said it took him 15 years to come up with a polymer that mimicked the thick, whitish look of human fat. Without that, he felt, the true damage caused by being overweight might not come across.
But Von Hagens will never know how many people really do swear off chili cheese fries after seeing "Suicide by Fat."
Despite countless public service messages and media reports of the danger of obesity, numbers in the United States and around the world continue to climb. He's hopeful, though; the damaged lungs of a smoker featured in the first Body Worlds seem to have made an impression.
"I have people reporting to me that they've stopped smoking or reduced their smoking, or had some relatives who stopped," he said. "Many people ask me, 'Why do you show real specimens and not models?' Nothing is more convincing or changes our lives more than real experiences. More than ever now we get our information indirectly, but this is direct ? it's real exposure."
Dr. Bill Hanes, an orthopedic surgeon from Covina who visited the show with his children, ages 11 and 15, said he wished that exposure were greater, because seeing the actual effects of obesity might encourage some to lose weight.
"I think this should be shown just about everywhere," he said. "I have a number of overweight patients who come in saying, 'My back hurts' or 'My knees hurt.' Well, the body is not designed to carry that much weight. I have had patients who have lost 30, 50 pounds, and they feel so much better. That's why.
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Posted by satchmo on Thu Aug 25th at 9:03pm 2005
This is the reason why I am resurrecting this thread from the grave.
An American doctor is being sued by his patient because he advises the patient to lose weight.
Since my personal incident, I've been letting more obese kids go without advising them. Why should I jeopardize my career when they want to turn a deaf ear on my good advise?
I'll let their doctors tell them about the treatment options for diabetes and heart disease when they ultimately suffer from their obesity.
Here is another article on the same story. I always get all vent up about this topic.
People don't want to listen. The power of denial is strong. They rather suffer and die than to listen to a healthy advise.
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Posted by satchmo on Fri Aug 26th at 12:05am 2005
I am following this thread at a blog discussion site.
As you can tell, I've contributed my personal experience as well.
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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Fri Aug 26th at 5:10am 2005
Satch, that whole situation is completely ridiculous. It continues to amaze me that these kind of cases are allowed to clog up the legal system, similar to the way cholesterol is clogging up her arteries.
Reading the second article I feel she had a right to complain. Telling a woman she'll have a hard time finding a man once her husband dies? Inappropriate. Obviously she should have just left it at the complaining stage.
Posted by satchmo on Fri Aug 26th at 5:13am 2005
But what about my own experience? And if you think people are unreasonable, read about my discussion at my blog.
P.S. I am the "Young Doctor" in the discussion.
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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Fri Aug 26th at 6:02am 2005
You seem to be very passionate about your job and I respect that. However, you might consider not getting so annoyed when people don't pass any heed of your advice. It's sad to see a kids life hindered by obesity, but trying to help those who don't want it will get you nowhere. Try on focus on the decent patients. If that doesn't work, 50mg of stolen hospital morphine should help.
As for Andee Joyce, I don't think you should even bother responding to him. He appears to be reasonably intelligent, but that's where it ends.
Sorry if this is poorly worded or I missed anything, but it's very late.
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Posted by pepper on Fri Aug 26th at 6:05am 2005
Looks like you need to look out with what you say, before you know it your getting sued.
I think people do get fat because they eat all of the time, ive seen clasmates going out to the mall in the break to buy food, usualy this isnt healthy food. And offcourse you have those that just wont stop eating, they seems to be obssed with eating.
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