Why do you need 4GB's of RAM? What are you doing? Real Time
rendering of 3d Graphics in Full Motion? Didn't think so,
absolute waste of money for 4gbs of ram.
On top of that, what do you plan on doing with a Nforce 3 mobo and a
PCI-E Video Card? Absolutely nothing in this case. Seeming how there is
no Nforce 3 mobo that supports PCI-E with Socket 939.
Why would you need an Audigy for sound if you used onboard Nforce sound?
Now what I'm thinking is, you just look at the most important pieces
you could, and throw them together to make your NON-FUNCTIONAL, uber
PC. Now the FX-55 is a VERY SOLID CHIP, and will OUTPERFORM every
chip Intel has to offer. Now if you want to build a real,
functional computer how about you go with.
Asus A8N SLI -Nforce 4 Chipset 2x PCI-E slots
FX-55 or even a AMD 64 3000+, the 3000+ easily overclocks to 2.5ghz on
Air, and no matter what you intel fan boys say, the AMD 64's smoke your
beloved pentiums, any benchmark will say it.
Gig of Low Latency Ram in Dual Channel of course, hell go with 2 gigs if ya have the money.
2 Nvidia 6800 Ultras in SLI, or even go with 6800GT's and OC them to Ultra Speed.
2-4 120GB Seagate SATA drives running in Raid 0 for speed and storage.
550-600 Watt PSU to power this bad boy
Use on board sound, and get a solid quiet case and some good cooling,
and you have a solid, high performance machine, for $1400-1800 range,
wait a few months and some new mobos will be out that support OCing
better, along with price drops on components.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by willow on Thu Feb 17th at 2:45am 2005
Posted by willow on Thu Feb 17th at 2:45am 2005
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by fraggard on Thu Feb 17th at 3:50am 2005
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Posted by fraggard on Thu Feb 17th at 3:50am 2005
http://www.research.ibm.com/bluegene/
And since it can do this, I'm assuming it has enough graphics power to run Doom 3...
/me waits for Crono to explode
And since it can do this, I'm assuming it has enough graphics power to run Doom 3...
/me waits for Crono to explode
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by Crono on Thu Feb 17th at 6:22am 2005
Posted by Crono on Thu Feb 17th at 6:22am 2005
I'm not going to explode.
People just don't get that you're not going to use that kind of power for anything you'd ever be able to run on your home computer.
These computers people are listing ARE very useful, but, not for gaming. Let's put it this way: They'd be wasted if someone bought one just to play Half-Life 2.
And actually, in a normal computer that most of us have, 4GB of ram would help ... a lot actually. It would allow most all of your applications and such to be loaded in actual ram, limiting, at least some, of the VMM use ... thus making everything run faster. But that's a really "high level" description, I suppose.
Sloth, no, the Cell isn't finished yet. Or at least, it's not for sale. The GameCube, if I remember the specs, has a 500Mhz processor (I think it's an IBM flavor, not sure though). I have no doubt that it's pipelined, giving a much faster performance then most people's idea of "500 Mhz" [addsig]
People just don't get that you're not going to use that kind of power for anything you'd ever be able to run on your home computer.
These computers people are listing ARE very useful, but, not for gaming. Let's put it this way: They'd be wasted if someone bought one just to play Half-Life 2.
And actually, in a normal computer that most of us have, 4GB of ram would help ... a lot actually. It would allow most all of your applications and such to be loaded in actual ram, limiting, at least some, of the VMM use ... thus making everything run faster. But that's a really "high level" description, I suppose.
Sloth, no, the Cell isn't finished yet. Or at least, it's not for sale. The GameCube, if I remember the specs, has a 500Mhz processor (I think it's an IBM flavor, not sure though). I have no doubt that it's pipelined, giving a much faster performance then most people's idea of "500 Mhz" [addsig]
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by DrGlass on Thu Feb 17th at 6:42am 2005
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Posted by DrGlass on Thu Feb 17th at 6:42am 2005
I'd add a fridge and waffle iron.
a 500 ghz waffle iron.
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a 500 ghz waffle iron.
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by fraggard on Thu Feb 17th at 6:45am 2005
People just don't get that you're not going to use that kind of power for anything you'd ever be able to run on your home computer.
I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
- IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943
I've always wondered about that. A 32 bit address bus allows for 4GB of addressable memory, but the 386 (and up) assume that no one will have the assumed 4 GB. So all virtual addresses generated will be paged anyway. I think the overhead incurred in paging will probably not let the theoretically possible full performance occur. And the 486 and up add another level of overhead with the L1 Cache. I wonder what's the "sweet spot" RAM amount for best performance with any Pentium Pro architecture based processor. I doubt the entire 4GB is necessary for the best possible performance.
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Posted by fraggard on Thu Feb 17th at 6:45am 2005
? quote:
People just don't get that you're not going to use that kind of power for anything you'd ever be able to run on your home computer.
I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
- IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943
? quote:
And actually, in a normal computer that most of us have, 4GB of ram
would help ... a lot actually. It would allow most all of your
applications and such to be loaded in actual ram, limiting, at least
some, of the VMM use ... thus making everything run faster. But that's
a really "high level" description, I suppose.
I've always wondered about that. A 32 bit address bus allows for 4GB of addressable memory, but the 386 (and up) assume that no one will have the assumed 4 GB. So all virtual addresses generated will be paged anyway. I think the overhead incurred in paging will probably not let the theoretically possible full performance occur. And the 486 and up add another level of overhead with the L1 Cache. I wonder what's the "sweet spot" RAM amount for best performance with any Pentium Pro architecture based processor. I doubt the entire 4GB is necessary for the best possible performance.
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by Crono on Thu Feb 17th at 8:38am 2005
Posted by Crono on Thu Feb 17th at 8:38am 2005
My point was A. stuff will not require that kind of power or B. there will be a new architecture and you'd be left in the dust anyway ... with your million dollar computer. I didn't mean that we would never have applications that would demand that kind of power, but it isn't likely in the near future (20-30 years).
As "real" as some of this stuff looks and acts, I guarantee it's a very large fa?ade.
The amount of usable ram is dynamic, by the way. And, I believe (I'm not sure, I haven't taken operating systems yet
) that the amount of usable physical ram is set by the OS at start up. It's part of the initialization and it just says "this address through this address is for the me ... this address through this address is for blah blah hardware ... the rest is free use" and of course a certain amount of ram needs to be free at all times otherwise the computer would crash and burn. (Think of it like Tetris, in that aspect, if you like) This is why infinite loops are bad, you may think of them as ?the computer locking up?, but in most cases that's what's happening. (Or your stuff is struggling to handle all the commands you've given it.)
But, the optimum amount of ram would be the largest amount your board can support. It will continue to use the same percentage. Or something like that. Go read an architecture book if you want complete details
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As "real" as some of this stuff looks and acts, I guarantee it's a very large fa?ade.
The amount of usable ram is dynamic, by the way. And, I believe (I'm not sure, I haven't taken operating systems yet
) that the amount of usable physical ram is set by the OS at start up. It's part of the initialization and it just says "this address through this address is for the me ... this address through this address is for blah blah hardware ... the rest is free use" and of course a certain amount of ram needs to be free at all times otherwise the computer would crash and burn. (Think of it like Tetris, in that aspect, if you like) This is why infinite loops are bad, you may think of them as ?the computer locking up?, but in most cases that's what's happening. (Or your stuff is struggling to handle all the commands you've given it.)
But, the optimum amount of ram would be the largest amount your board can support. It will continue to use the same percentage. Or something like that. Go read an architecture book if you want complete details
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by Pegs on Thu Feb 17th at 9:14am 2005
2.6 Ghz in AMD terms is very different in Intel terms. I have a 2.6 AMD 64 bit processor, and it is fatser than my older PC (P4 2.8 Ghz processor). AMD is the way to go, its large L2 cache is meant for the gaming. But its really useless unless you have fast RAM (not a lot of it), and a good mother board.
Are you Trying to Suggest i have Intel. How dare you
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Posted by Pegs on Thu Feb 17th at 9:14am 2005
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2.6 ghz isnt much for a dream PC (i basicaly have that) a terrahertz maybe
2.6 Ghz in AMD terms is very different in Intel terms. I have a 2.6 AMD 64 bit processor, and it is fatser than my older PC (P4 2.8 Ghz processor). AMD is the way to go, its large L2 cache is meant for the gaming. But its really useless unless you have fast RAM (not a lot of it), and a good mother board.
Are you Trying to Suggest i have Intel. How dare you
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by RaPtoR on Thu Feb 17th at 3:05pm 2005
Well who cares about the money? This thread was about dream computers wasn't it? You think i'll throw up a milion bucks from my back pocket and buy it tomorrow? And 100ghz is always better than 10 nomatter what.
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Posted by RaPtoR on Thu Feb 17th at 3:05pm 2005
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You'd be a god damned moron if you think you'd use a cray for personal
computing. You wouldn't need that much power to run everything that's
out now ... or in the next few years. Not to mention, that computer is
made for cooperations to house their databases and such. In which case,
they get screwed anyway, because about 20 years down the line they
still have the same (now slow) machine which is difficult to use and a
pain in the ass, but they can't upgrade because it would cost WAY too
much money. I believe when you buy these types of computers you have to
sign agreements as well. Contracts that cost about $1mil to break
(*cough*IBM*cough*).
Not to mention, most "super computers" don't exactly have accelerated video cards. (some don't have video cards at all, since they're made to all work together and automatically. They have to be "connected to" and such. Not sure about that specific one of course.)
Not to mention, most "super computers" don't exactly have accelerated video cards. (some don't have video cards at all, since they're made to all work together and automatically. They have to be "connected to" and such. Not sure about that specific one of course.)
Well who cares about the money? This thread was about dream computers wasn't it? You think i'll throw up a milion bucks from my back pocket and buy it tomorrow? And 100ghz is always better than 10 nomatter what.
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by $loth on Thu Feb 17th at 3:15pm 2005
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Posted by $loth on Thu Feb 17th at 3:15pm 2005
For my dream computer I wouldn't touch raid 0, one falls-they all fall.
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by SaintGreg on Thu Feb 17th at 6:03pm 2005
Posted by SaintGreg on Thu Feb 17th at 6:03pm 2005
Then again a dream computer wouldn't be limited to mechanical drives
with slow access times, any high capacity storage devices would
probably be using flash memory.
4 GB of RAM would help, but considering most of the stuff I run on my computer (and probably others do too) doesnt take up more than about 300 MB of RAM at once, even if I had several memory intensive apps open at once, it still would fit nicely into 2 GB of RAM. Going from 2 to 4 would do almost nothing. To get the most out of that extra RAM I would need to be running apps that need more memory. But considering that many aglorithms scale faster in computation time than in memory, it would just take uber long to run.
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4 GB of RAM would help, but considering most of the stuff I run on my computer (and probably others do too) doesnt take up more than about 300 MB of RAM at once, even if I had several memory intensive apps open at once, it still would fit nicely into 2 GB of RAM. Going from 2 to 4 would do almost nothing. To get the most out of that extra RAM I would need to be running apps that need more memory. But considering that many aglorithms scale faster in computation time than in memory, it would just take uber long to run.
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by SuperCobra on Thu Feb 17th at 11:30pm 2005
Posted by SuperCobra on Thu Feb 17th at 11:30pm 2005
But why not have the ram there just in case ? Better to be safe then sorry.
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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER
Posted by $loth on Fri Feb 18th at 8:47am 2005
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Posted by $loth on Fri Feb 18th at 8:47am 2005
As long as the ram is cl2 or less.
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