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Posted by willow on Fri Feb 25th at 4:49pm 2005

I didn't read all the other posts in this topic, however I will apply directly to Leperous.

I very much agree with the statement, however, when a administrative body (see government) tries to step in and protect it's peoples from these "terrorists" it causes nothing by problems. If you look at us here in the United States, 45 days after 9-11 happended, a 318 Page Law was miraculously passed through our congress attached to 5 or 6 other bills, called the Patriot Act. In the United States, we have never seen a larger raping of civil liberties then we have with the Patriot Act.

Thanks to the PA (Patriot Act from here on), law enforcement agencies have more juristiction then they should ever have. The FBI, Police, whoever can now get your PRIVATE Medical Records without having a warrant. I very much agree with Ben Franklins quote, if people are willing to sell out their Civil Liberties that were given to them by our forefathers, they deserve NOTHING.

Fact is, no one will ever stop terrorism, no matter what is done. Trying to throw out a broad umbrella of legislation that covers everyone, is perhaps the worse thing that can be done.

Here's another quote for ya:

""... God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." -- Thomas Jefferson [addsig]



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Posted by Gwil on Fri Feb 25th at 5:02pm 2005

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funny. terrorist attacks have been happening for eons. only now has it drifted into the 1st world areas enough to be note worthy.
how come no one got all upset when it was happening in Zimbabwe?
anywho's.. i am tired of all this "terror this, and terror that.." :/


Orph, more like - without wanting to push the "anti US" sentiment, terrorism has only mattered since it hit the US.

IRA sympathisers in the USA have been funding indiscriminate bombings in Britain and NI for years and years, for another sore point with the American attitude to terrorism

Not to mention the groups in Germany (Red Front), France, Spain (ETA), Greece (November 17th), Israel/Palestine/Lebanon/Syria etc etc that have wreaked havoc sporadically across Europe, Asia and Mesopotamia for the best part of the 20th century.

As for your point about Zimbabwe - hear hear! I note with scorn that the US/UK coalition chalk up their invasion of Iraq as a noble cause to topple Saddam (er, guys, we thought it was WMD and Bin Laden (LMAO - even though they LOATHE! each other). So if you have the time to remove one tyrant, why not one less well armed and perpetrating far worse crimes and with far more arrogance and aloofness.

Robert Mugabe and his crooked racist regime are laughing at us.
We claim that we're on a mission to free opressed peoples everywhere and anywhere, yet tinpot regimes started and initially supported by the US/EU countries across South America and Africa still routinely carry out genocide, opression and so forth.

Sudan, Zimbabwe, Somalia (this place doesn't even HAVE a Government). And hell - we can't label people terrorists with one hand and use the other to offer peace to Gadaffi and the "ex-terrorists" in Tripoli. The whole thing reflects the way US foreign policy operates - do whatever is needed at the time without any way of accounting for how it's going to affect the future.

Shambles, all of it. [addsig]



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Posted by Leperous on Fri Feb 25th at 6:07pm 2005

Well, I for one have hope for the future- hopefully the internet can be developed into something that can facilitate proper democracy, instead of this silly system we live by now where leaders that perhaps less than half the population actually voted in do pretty much what they want to do in the face of opposition (until election time comes round again). Education and "fairness" is what's needed to sort out what causes terrorism. /nebulous, garbled thoughts



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Posted by Loco on Fri Feb 25th at 7:02pm 2005

Speaking of the future.

Personally, I'm not entirely in favour of the new terror plans. They just seem fairly pointless in places to me: e.g. A suspected terrorist will have to submit to a search of their house by officials whenever requested - but don't the police have the ability to issue search warrants anyway? That's not to say that we shouldn't have any means of stopping terrorists, but the idea that MPs rather than judges should handle cases just seems to be breaching the necessary historic divide between legislative and judiciary.

/2 cents
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Posted by Gwil on Fri Feb 25th at 7:04pm 2005

It's the over centralisation and nanny state approach that "New Labour" seems to thrive on -

"Do as we say, not as we do" and all that jazz. [addsig]




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