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Posted by Natus on Sat Apr 16th at 3:47pm 2005

*/me dreams on*
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Posted by ReNo on Sat Apr 16th at 5:56pm 2005

More admins are needed. The current three of us are never around and rarely play in the server just now, and any errors that require the restart of the server can go unfixed for a long amount of time. I'll give some thought to who is suitable soon, but my first thoughts are NatUS and Andrei as its those guys I see playing there most often.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 16th at 6:11pm 2005

? quoting ReNo
More admins are needed. The current three of us are never around and rarely play in the server just now, and any errors that require the restart of the server can go unfixed for a long amount of time. I'll give some thought to who is suitable soon, but my first thoughts are NatUS and Andrei as its those guys I see playing there most often.

playing often should not be the top prerequisite however. no offense to those two members of course.

you should post a thread, see whom is interested then decide from the list. being an admin does not really suggest that you know who is best beforehand. you may be the one deciding, but you may be considering people not interested in the position.

besides, you may chose someone that we do not want in the spot.. thats not likely, but it could happen.

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Posted by Andrei on Sat Apr 16th at 7:03pm 2005

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being an admin does not really suggest that you know who is best beforehand.




Agreed; might I add that most people tend to consider having admin rights a privelage rather than a responsibiliy.
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Posted by ReNo on Sat Apr 16th at 7:13pm 2005

My concern is that we don't often have an admin in the server. Its all well and good giving out admin positions to the more established community members, but if it isn't increasing the amount of time the server has an admin present, it doesn't seem like something worth doing. Gwil was never looking to give out too many admin positions, so I personally think he would have wanted a few active admins as opposed to lots of "once a week" admins.

Starting a thread isn't a bad idea, but I wouldn't like to embarrass or offend people by refusing them admin positions. If nobody asks, and the opportunity is offered out instead, this isn't going to happen. Obviously people can feel free to refuse of course smiley If you feel you would make a beneficial admin, have been around the pit for a reasonable/active amount of time, and can play in the server quite often, then feel free to get in touch via PM and I'll be happy to discuss it.
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Posted by Natus on Sat Apr 16th at 7:15pm 2005

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besides, you may chose someone that we do not want in the spot.. thats not likely, but it could happen.



thats right, if some power seeking guy gets admin he might ban people for killing him and stuff like that, and it would be sucky
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 16th at 7:23pm 2005

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so I personally think he would have wanted a few active admins as opposed to lots of "once a week" admins.

heres a thought, what are the odds of everyone not being available at the same time?

i mean seriously, wouldn't it be better to have 20 trusted members who only show up a few times a week, than to have a full time crew of malcontents?

i am not suggestion that the position would be abused, but i am more apt to trust people i have known 5 years than 5 months.

i originally turned down the position because i truly felt that i would not be there often enough to be of much use, BUT i am around or available and someone could have PM'd me and said "hey orph, we have an asshole in the server right now, can you log on and ban him"

i feel that anyone could do that and not necessarily be fragging 24/7

consider it.

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Posted by Natus on Sat Apr 16th at 7:29pm 2005

/me considers

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Posted by DrGlass on Sat Apr 16th at 8:44pm 2005

I've admin quite a few servers and my personal veiw is that active admin are much better becuase you need some one there to ban the smack tard. If you dont have people on the server, even though they are around and able to pop on and ban, who will know how to find them? Some random player isn't going to run and join our IRC channle just to get some guy kicked.

Give admin to people who play alot, try to spred it out over the time zones (americans are good to police the early day europians). Watch them from time to time, if they abuse people need to report them.

Though, on a side note. I've lost my admin on two servers becuase non-admin see me ban some one, and dont understand why (like they join the server and see me ban some random guy) so they report me. So I would say, pick people who play alot and wont go crazy with power. Also, dont give people full admin. Leave the banning to the head admin.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 16th at 9:01pm 2005

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Also, dont give people full admin. Leave the banning to the head admin.

its my belief that you should give people enough power to identify IP addresses and then allow the full admins to ban them. it would be beneficial to have more than one of these people at a time, to verify the offensive player however. i can tell you from first hand experience how easy it is for a moderator, or admin to abuse their powers. one of them was right here in the predawn days of snarkpit. fortunately, he was caught and dismissed.

anywho's, just to clarify my position, i think we need more full admins, but we need more moderators that have powers enough to identify who needs banned.

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Posted by Natus on Sat Apr 16th at 9:10pm 2005

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Some random player isn't going to run and join our IRC channle just to get some guy kicked.



doc this is what i used to do when gwil was still here, i stopped playing and shouted at him untill he fixed the problem :P
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 16th at 9:18pm 2005

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Some random player isn't going to run and join our IRC channle just to get some guy kicked.



doc this is what i used to do when gwil was still here, i stopped playing and shouted at him untill he fixed the problem

i am not the only person here all day when i am home.. it would take moments to minutes to get a hold of me if you saw my name in the "online" list.. /methinks that anyone here, who is an admin on the server is as far away as a PM.

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Posted by Andrei on Sat Apr 16th at 11:01pm 2005

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If you feel you would make a beneficial admin, have been around the pit for a reasonable/active amount of time, and can play in the server quite often, then feel free to get in touch via PM and I'll be happy to discuss it.


I have a reasonable amount of free time on my hands daily and can play on the server quite often and feel the temptation of PMing, but i'm not going to; it feels embarassing. I ,for one, simply cannot PM someone and say "Gimme gimme gimme". smiley
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 16th at 11:13pm 2005

if its any consolation, i got my ass royally whipped once again on the server..

i can honestly say, snarkpit has some good players.. i also feel a bit of it, a small bit of it is due to having a ping less than 100 :P

forgive my small excuses for being a loser :/

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Posted by ReNo on Sun Apr 17th at 12:57am 2005

Hehe, I wouldn't begrudge you that Orph, I've come up with much worse excuses than that in the past

Andrei, I mentioned you in my post before, and I'll do so again. If you feel you can handle the responsibility of being an admin, the place is yours. You've been here a good while now and I see no reason not to trust you with the position. You play on the server more than most people and seem like a responsible guy, so I think it would be great if you could admin. Even better, you are what, -3 hours on GMT? Besides Australians, we don't have that many long time members that far east that come to mind, with the exception of Fraggard in India.
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Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Apr 17th at 1:30am 2005

I would volunteer to be an admin for the Australian time zone, but the fact is I rarely play what with my terrible ping, and thats mainly when other pit members are on so I don't mind lagging it up.




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Posted by Leperous on Sun Apr 17th at 5:36am 2005

? quoting Andrei
An admin shift, designed in such a way that there will always be at least 1 admin online whenever you play, would be nice. The snarkpit server is a jungle! It's become a habit for hobos to swear at eachother, to voice-spam and generally to misbehave.

What time of the day (GMT or whatever) does this usually happen? I'm going to be in there more often now, with my bannination tool at the ready, though if someone wants to tell me the rcon command to view a player's Steam ID it would be appreciated <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/evilgrin.gif">





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Posted by Andrei on Sun Apr 17th at 8:28am 2005

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What time of the day (GMT or whatever) does this usually happen?



EET-> Around -3 or -4 GMT, not sure.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 17th at 8:53am 2005

? quoting Andrei



EET-> Around -3 or -4 GMT, not sure.

that would be either Greenland, or off in the Atlantic Andrei :/

my time zone is -6, the east coast is -5 the Atlantic ocean begins in -4 and i doubt there are many cities either floating, or on the ocean floor

tell me, where do you live, and what time is it locally.. i bet someone can figure it out. not me, but someone.

[edit] now that i think about it.. i cannot recall if i am -6 or +6

disregard my comments, it only shows my lack of.... something.

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Posted by Andrei on Sun Apr 17th at 9:02am 2005

Hmm GMT +3. Just checked (just played on the server and checked the time ; 8.58 GMT and my clock shows 11.58 ).
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