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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by satchmo on Thu Mar 10th at 7:08pm 2005


Evolution happens. Nothing can stop it. Modern technology simply changes the selection forces that act upon our genetic variations.

True, human beings have become physically weaker compared to our ancesters (primitive humans are much stronger than us, and so are the modern great apes). I just recently read that a chimpanzee (our closest modern relative) typically has five times the upper body strength than an adult human. But our intellect has evolved to a level that far surpasses even the most intelligent animal.

We just have different forces (I guess you can call it "artificial" selection instead of natural selection) that mold the way we evolve. Instead of having infectious diseases that kill us, we have heart disease, obesity, and cancer. Evolution happens constantly simply we still die and some of us die before we reproduce.

It'll be difficult to foresee what the product of this different sort of natural selection will be, but I guess none of us really have to worry about that. We won't be around to see the result.

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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by Leperous on Thu Mar 10th at 7:10pm 2005


What a dumb attitude. Tell me where "genetically superior" people came from in the first place, and why "genetically inferior" people are so bad. The point in treating everyone the same is that, genetically, it doesn't really matter and people can achieve different things through training and being given the chance- so what if you can't cope with tensors and matricies and other mathematical concepts, but you might be a better plumber or motorbike rider than I'll ever be.

Er, and we'll ignore that retarded last post. "thinking about black holes really doesnt help me any, nor does it help anyone else eveolve or survive until we gotta use black holes somehow to run away ffrom planetary annihilation" Do you think a caveman understood that he could use his new-fangled fire to extract metals from ores, or that a wheel could be used in cogs?

And I'll repeat what I said earlier. 'Evolution' will still happen, but through simple genetic mutation introducting good/bad features, rather than survival of the fittest.





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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Mar 10th at 7:18pm 2005


The human mind cannot grasp the time frames it takes for "normal" evolution to take place, hence the concept that we came from apes is still not completely accepted.

large numbers like that throw normal people off, its like the old saying i heard in school. if you asked an ant how long the tree was there "i dunno, has always been, since before my parents and my parents parents,etc,etc"

i also think that "dumb" is a sort of evolutionary thing. people may be smarter in a sense, but dumber than our forbearer's in vital areas, such as basic survival.

anywho's none of us could possible live long enough to witness even one confirmed "evolutionary" event so.. even looking back in recored history ( a very small time period, but some would think its long) there has not been one confirmed event.

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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by satchmo on Thu Mar 10th at 7:23pm 2005


"Superior" and "inferior" are both relative terms. One person's "superior" trait may be another's fault. Having wisdom teeth at one point may have been a fine idea, but not anymore.

It's dangerous to assign these attributes to people's genes. Genes are merely different. One type of variation is not better than any other. In fact, this type of thinking may end up being human's eventual downfall.

Fortunately, some of us still see the light.

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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by Bewbies on Thu Mar 10th at 7:46pm 2005


While mutation is possibly the biggest factor in evolution, our technological evolution can benefit us in the same way. For example, our advances in stem cell research can possibly remedy most genetic-level problems. (Mutations.) Another example is our ever-extending lifespan due to medicine.

Though.. survival of the fittest and death to the weak is also a factor. The constant procreation of HIV-positive people is an exmaple of how evolution has failed. If we didn't treat this condition, many would die.. along with the virus, eventually. (Maybe?)





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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Mar 10th at 8:00pm 2005


technical advances are not evolution, but a natural form of life. things that survive an event learn from the event so to speak.

evolution is alterations in the body, that may lead to a better product sometime.

i agree that science is increasing our bodies ability to stem off diseases, but its not evolutionary based.

think of it this way, if we could go back in time, taking our science with us, we could not alter the extinction of the Neanderthals.

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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by DrGlass on Thu Mar 10th at 9:30pm 2005


I dont think "Superior" and "inferior" have anything to do with evolution, when it comes to humans. It seems to me that our bodies are just cleaning house. We no longer need wisdome teeth, but we do need a bigger brain. Our larger brain is pushing our jaw down and taking up the space our teeth would of had. As this happens people with wisdome teeth would, with out any medical support, faded out of existance.

Now we are keeping these un-needed genes around and mixing them into our gene pool. So we now stand at a point in evolution where we can treat our problems but not fix them. I think most of us will see the end of our evolution, we have mapped the genome. Humans are ready to destroy any and all genetic malfunction we have, but where will that put us?

If we are able to take out the wisdome tooth gene and the other usless body functions, as well as any genetic deseise... we will stop evolving. Is that really a good thing?
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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by satchmo on Thu Mar 10th at 9:44pm 2005


Until we figure out a way to be immortal, evolution does not stop. And people still die from accidents and such, so evolution will always operate in one way or another. [addsig]



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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by Bewbies on Thu Mar 10th at 10:27pm 2005


A dumbass drunk driver runs down and kills 3 people that are both mentally and physically above average. Is this survival of the fittest?

The evolution that applied to almost every other organism in the past does not apply to us. Ours is an entirely new kind - that which relies on the contribution of every human being.. not just the select few that might have developed webbed feet or hooked beaks. Eventually, we will completely detroy ourselves with our own science.. THEN darwin's evolution will have shown its face again.





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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by DrGlass on Fri Mar 11th at 12:55am 2005


A rock falling on a penguin isn't evolution.

the phasing out of poor genes is.

We arn't removing these genes we are breading these deeping into our specise.
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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by Bewbies on Fri Mar 11th at 12:59am 2005


What i meant is that we dont have the nature factor killing us off. We have our own species doing that. ..and BTW,

CREATIONISM CREATIONISM CREATIONISM!! (come on, someone had to say it)





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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by satchmo on Fri Mar 11th at 1:22am 2005


Bewbies, you must be a Bush-loving Republican!

Cuz no self-respecting Democrat will type CR****** in capital letters (notice I *am* a self-respecting Democrat).

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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by Cassius on Fri Mar 11th at 2:35am 2005


We have evolved past the level where physical traits need be our primary concern. Stop trying to deny it. Whether we would survive in a primal society or whether "evolution" is continuing in its most base form should hardly be our concern. Like I say, we no longer need to wait millions of years to become immune to diseases when we can simply invent cures for them - that is human evolution.





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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by parakeet on Fri Mar 11th at 2:57am 2005


<belief> i personally believe that once man has reached a terminal point in evolution it will kill itself off. *whether through evolution of technology or evolution in mind or man*. The further we go the more ammoral we become , because with more brains we tend to deny our wisdoms . My brother is the smartest man i know , but is a complete idiot in common sense. When we dont have any common sense we often don't second think things causing rash desicions. Or maybe it'll be from willing for pleasures, *obesity and whatnot*. Each time we create a new technology it makes our life easier , giving up a physical activity *usually* and eventually making us all slugs. Either way man will die one day when it has reached its terminal evolution. Millions of years it may be but it still *i believe* will happen. </belief>
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Re: Lack of evolution
Posted by DrGlass on Fri Mar 11th at 4:18am 2005


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We have evolved past the level where physical traits need be our primary concern. Stop trying to deny it. Whether we would survive in a primal society or whether "evolution" is continuing in its most base form should hardly be our concern. Like I say, we no longer need to wait millions of years to become immune to diseases when we can simply invent cures for them - that is human evolution.


We may not need to evolve, but we still are. modern medicin is just a blink to evolution. We are just now seeing traits that helped us when we were cave men dissapearing. Back to the wisdom teeth, we havn't needed a large back row of teeth for hundreds of thousands of years.

evolution dosn't make us immune to diseases. It makes us better suited to fit in our enviroment. The only way it can do this is to remove those who are not fit to live. But now we are all fit to live (to a point). What if we are putting a stop on evolution when evolution could be trying to unlock powers we never new we had (ESP, etc.).
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