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Posted by Dark Tree on Fri Mar 11th at 3:02pm 2005

dont use Windows media player. Use Winamp. No more auto linking and popup spyware. If the video file yu are trying to play doesnt work, YOU DON'T WANT IT ANYWAY. [addsig]



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Posted by OtZman on Fri Mar 11th at 3:18pm 2005

I use Firefox. Firefox feels overall nicer than IE, with lots of nice plugins and extensions for those who want.

IE isn't meeting the W3C standards, I think.
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Posted by fraggard on Fri Mar 11th at 3:24pm 2005

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dont use Windows media player. Use Winamp. No more auto linking and popup spyware. If the video file yu are trying to play doesnt work, YOU DON'T WANT IT ANYWAY.


That's exactly why many people use Firefox. Now maybe your earlier question [quoted below] has an answer.

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Good God. Use Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer is a damn fine browser. Tell me one thing bad about it. I'm sick of people whining about it all the time.



BTW, I don't use WMP... I just spent a few hours cleaning up a friends machine due to this crap, so I was just ranting, I guess. My view on browsers, audio players, operating systems and whatnot is similar to Gorb's view on browsers. Use whatever does your work best.




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Posted by willow on Fri Mar 11th at 4:30pm 2005

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Good God. Use Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer is a damn fine browser. Tell me one thing bad about it. I'm sick of people whining about it all the time.


I'll tell you why IE sucks, and I won't use it.

1.) Microsoft does not comply to the W3C standards on CSS, thus making CSS's screw up in Internet Explorer, making people use improper coding to make it compatible with Internet Explorer.

2.) Internet Explorer does not handle .PNG's properly, by using IE you cannot have a transparent PNG, while any other Browser you can, once again not complying with W3C standards.

3.) Internet Explorer supports ActiveX, there is no use for activeX but to install/stream content or malware without your consent or knowledge. Now this may not be a problem for the savy user, however, I do Computer Repair for a living, and you know how big of a problem this is with the general public?

4.) Internet Explorer is just slow. Compare the speed in page loading to Mozilla, and Internet Explorer loses like a 65 year old parapalegic in a 40meter Dash.

5.) Internet Explorer is built directly into the shell of Windows. Thus making program crashes/hangs affect your whole OS.

6.) Security anyone? Enough said, using Internet Explorer without Windows Updates is like having unprotected sex with hookers. Someone's bound to end up with something.

Now some of you will bring up, over time Firefox will get spyware like IE, I don't think so folks, 95% of all spyware is from ActiveX OR Installing Programs. Only other way people have access to stream "directed" ads at you is by using Cookies via. Java Script.

Next I'm sure I'm gonna see, "Webpages don't work with Mozilla." well guess what, that's the fault of the poor webdesigner. If they'd learn to program the right way and create a W3 Compliant multi-platform website, there would be no problems, however, most people just don't know, or are FrontPage kiddies.

BTW: WINAMP sucks, use Foobar and hear real quality.
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Posted by satchmo on Fri Mar 11th at 4:41pm 2005

Willow, you're so right on about these points. I personally suffered a spyware attack couple of months ago when I was still un-enlightened. Ever since my PC recovered, I've been using FireFox without problem.

And I author CSS, so I know how stupid IE can be when it comes to formatting stuff correctly. Interestingly, the version of IE for Apple computers adhere to CSS very well. It's just the Windows version that's completely ignorant.
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Posted by Crono on Fri Mar 11th at 7:44pm 2005

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I'll tell you why IE sucks, and I won't use it.

1.) Microsoft does not comply to the W3C standards on CSS, thus
making CSS's screw up in Internet Explorer, making people use improper
coding to make it compatible with Internet Explorer.

2.) Internet Explorer does not handle .PNG's properly, by using
IE you cannot have a transparent PNG, while any other Browser you can,
once again not complying with W3C standards.

3.) Internet Explorer supports ActiveX, there is no use for
activeX but to install/stream content or malware without your consent
or knowledge. Now this may not be a problem for the savy user,
however, I do Computer Repair for a living, and you know how big of a
problem this is with the general public?

4.) Internet Explorer is just slow. Compare the speed in
page loading to Mozilla, and Internet Explorer loses like a 65 year old
parapalegic in a 40meter Dash.

5.) Internet Explorer is built directly into the shell of
Windows. Thus making program crashes/hangs affect your whole OS.

6.) Security anyone? Enough said, using Internet Explorer
without Windows Updates is like having unprotected sex with
hookers. Someone's bound to end up with something.

Now some of you will bring up, over time Firefox will get spyware like
IE, I don't think so folks, 95% of all spyware is from ActiveX OR
Installing Programs. Only other way people have access to stream
"directed" ads at you is by using Cookies via. Java Script.

Next I'm sure I'm gonna see, "Webpages don't work with Mozilla." well
guess what, that's the fault of the poor webdesigner. If they'd
learn to program the right way and create a W3 Compliant multi-platform
website, there would be no problems, however, most people just don't
know, or are FrontPage kiddies.



The "slower" issue is because of the different algorithms. Gecko and the other one ... don't remember. IE loads images first, Mozilla loads text first blah blah blah.

But yes, having IE built into the Windows' interface is very easy root/Admin access. Couple that with it being "most attacked" and you're pretty much f**ked.

DarkTree, the entire point is, unless you write/get some program that watches all this take place you wont know. Every time you get a virus or spyware ... any time anything is written to the registry ... etc.

The same differences run through Linux and Windows ... it seems the "yay windows" people honestly don't understand the security differences.
The only way Windows, in general, could be said to be "more secure" is because there are actually protection measures on your administrative account to stop malicious programs and such ... there are none in Linux. However, you don't work as a root in linux usually, especially not online. I think the issue between browsers is the same situation ...

For example what would be more secure:

1) A locked safe with two levels of security/passwords

2) A completely open safe with a couple of s**tty tracking shot guns on each wall

Secondly, I'm not even sure what MS's buffer checking and input verifications are like. If someone doesn't check their buffers, you have no idea how easy it is to type in some assembly code after the input that will get written to memory and executed ... doing whatever, usually opening up a root console (works on any platform if the front end doesn't check, because the front end probably has admin/root access and the program is being ran from there)

Anyway, whatever. Use what you like. [addsig]



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Posted by Gorbachev on Fri Mar 11th at 8:53pm 2005

Firefox with adblock and pipelining enabled is beautiful for general browsing.
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Posted by parakeet on Fri Mar 11th at 9:43pm 2005

i do and i actually have pictures of people abusing the root acess... they turned my desktop into an "active desktop" with a page that relayed viruses to my computer i can even find the thread in which i talked about it.
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Posted by Dark Tree on Fri Mar 11th at 10:20pm 2005

Hmmm...I have never had any sort of problems....ever...with virus' or spyware with IE. Any spyware or virus' I get are directly from an error on my part. [addsig]



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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Mar 12th at 12:16am 2005

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When was the last time someone accessed your system root through IE?

Just yesterday, I suddenly got casino crap on my computer, and I wondered why? then I realized that i was using ie.

I dont think firefox is going anywhere, its gotton too popular to disappear.
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Posted by SaintGreg on Sat Mar 12th at 3:21am 2005

Yeah, firefox is huge now, its definitely not going anywhere.

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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sat Mar 12th at 4:00am 2005

How much does a hardware firewall help with all this? I've never used anything but IE, and the only times I've gotten viruses/spyware was from downloading disreputable software (Kazaa). However, I always keep my security settings at medium or above with ActiveX disabled and I am behind a linksys firewall. The worst that has ever happened to me was visiting a site that automatically set my "homepage" to something screwy. [addsig]



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Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 12th at 4:53am 2005

Not very much TB, because if you're running through a program, technically, you're requesting the files that are being sent in. That's why it's important to have something on the software end. (software firewalls are just garbage in my opinion.)

There are some fancy virus protection programs though. I forget the name, but, there's a buisness virus blocker that severs network access upon finding a virus and basically locks down your computer until it finds it. If it can't destroy it: it'll give instructions on how to find out and such. Overkill for a home computer, but awesome nonetheless.

The entire "threat" of viruses comes from the root access thing. If you actually had no root access, then your computer would be (theoretically) safe; rather, it would, at least, be much more difficult (thus not worth) to put a virus on it without detection.

I'm rambling, sorry. [addsig]




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