it still baffles me how something as abstract as whatever wavefunction collapse is, is best analogized with dead/alive cats in boxes.
it's strange enough to think that people will argue that a tree falling in the forest doesn't make any sound if no-one is there to here it, but some of this quantum mechanics stuff looks like it's saying that if no-one was there, then the tree hasn't even fallen yet, if it was ever there at all.
my frontal lobes starting to implode at the equations, so i didn't read it all. whether to say god job or that sucked is beyond me, buy good luck with whatever it's for.
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In a way, yes Though in real life the system would probably be too complex to actually behave like that (just read the other day that people now believe there's a computational limit to the Universe- it can only calculate so much, like an ?ber-fast PC- so such complicated systems just collapse, like a real life BSOD). The original point in the cat-in-a-box was to show that wavefunction collapse had problems when it came to macroscopic objects.
Agent Smith, are you a PDFing man? The whole Latex experience wasn't amazingly fun to be honest, there must be an easier way... People tell me eMacs, but it's a horrible Lunix program 
If anyone else here had been doing a project or similar recently, post it up- it'd be good to get some more philosophy going here!
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Hmm, so it's like a huge map that exceeds the limitation of the rendering engine? Perhaps one too many prop_physics would "crash" the universe, and then we'll have to wait for it to re-compile?
I hope whoever is mapping our world is listening, because I don't think I'll like it very much when my world crashes or gets a leak.
Which version are we living in anyway? Has there been six versions before us already, like in "The Matrix"?
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If you have a recent version of adobe acrobat, a pdf recorder is placed as a printer. Just choose the adobe thingy for a printer, and it'll 'print' the pdf somewhere on your drive.
and BTW, the caveman could light a fire long before he knew it was a chemical reaction. it was only when we learned this, that we developed an efficient way of extinguishing it. right now, quanto's physics are like the fire; events occur on this level.. but we dont know much reason why - YET. This isn't CRAP, this is the future of man's control over space and time.
If anyone else here had been doing a project or similar recently, post it up- it'd be good to get some more philosophy going here!
I don't think anyone wants to see my thesis/dissertation. I discuss tunneling pretty throughly, but that hasn't got any grand philosophical implications that I am aware of. It does have some pretty pictures though!
I still haven't completed it yet, but I do have one more picky comment: Watch your contractions. In my opinion they have no place in a scientific paper and you have used them fairly liberally.
Overall I am very impressed. I think you have managed to strike the right balance between explanation and assumption of knowledge. Most of it is well within my grasp, but there are significant pieces that go beyond (e.g references to theorems and formulas I know nothing about). This is perfect since I am presumably a bit outside your target audience.
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you are not insinuating that since i currently deliver busses that somehow that brings my knowledge base down, are you? I admit, i gave a poor example, but it was still just an example, no one wants to read an article mired in clutter was my point.
you are letting our disagreement in other locations of this site influence your words elsewhere, and in effect creating an environment of hate.
do not insult my intelligence again, just because my paths in life do not parallel yours.
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GROUP HUG!!
No, i will not be told that i am somehow substandard in my knowledge, because i currently drive for a living. In fact, I will not be told period, no matter what my job is.
I would be willing to bet that I alone have some bit of knowledge that no one else here has. that alone doesn't make me smarter than anyone because of that.
certain lines can never be crossed, and blaming a person for their occupation and using it as a weapon to win a point of "intelligence" is wrong.
[addsig]Yeah, I agree that was a low-blow. But I think you also touched a nerve for Lep when you called his labor of love "inconsequential". Remember, this is what he has been working on for a long time, and this dissertation means a lot to him.
You can't blame the guy for feeling offended and upset. In effect, you just called his line of work meaningless. So he understandably threw a counter attack at your occupation.
Personally, I believe no career is "above" the rest. And the only low careers are criminal ones. That's why I can never understand why most doctors believe they need special treatments for everything. They expect nurses to give up their seats in the hospital when the doctor walks in. I think that's just ridiculous. In fact, I don't think I can ever do what nurses do on a daily basis. I have great respects for all lines of work.
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take out the piss-poor example i gave and re-read the damned post. i was giving one of my rare compliments, it just came out bassackwards because i mixed the points up to much.
my point was exactly this, people love it when you display an unquenchable thirst for learning, but hate to sift through an article mired in clutter. it was not an insult, and unless i missed something (which is entirely possible) i never used the word "inconsequential"..
crap on the other hand, i did use, and it was not meant in the excremental sense, but more in the line of "its just to complex for my small mind to grasp" type of crap.
just how many times do i have to display my talent for miscommunication before you "supposed" smart people realize that its me, so accept it as "NOT INSULTING" first.. stop retaliating. 
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The last time I checked, "unimportant" is pretty much synonymous with "inconsequential".
[addsig]you know, i have that gift of quoting a specific piece of a sentence and taking it out of context too, but i don't do it anymore cause??? it leads to this place we are right now.. "MISUNDERSTANDING LAND"
now re-read it, with your current understanding of my words..
it means, that no matter what we are currently talking about, be it fish recipes, or dark matter, what is important is
sometimes i wonder, why do people always assume worse, and work their way up from there? i am sometimes guilty of this in real life, because sometimes you do not have the luxury or reading text several times to grasp its content. but in here you do have that option.. my words, although poorly co-joined, still have more than one possible meaning. but almost without exception people are applying their own dark thoughts to my words and coming up with something sinister.
just one i would love to see my words and say "wow, that was nice" especially when after a dozen or so posts back and forth thats where we eventually end up :/
Orph, I am sure you have no ill-intent for Lep's work and your comment. But put yourself in Lep's shoes for a second. When he read "the topic is unimportant", he no longer has the benefit of reading through the rest of the text with total calmness. By the time he read those words, his emotion is revved up, and he has already started thinking bad thoughts about the person who has made the comment.
My experience is that, especially with these forum postings, you have to make the positive statements first. Because after the reader has come across the negative ones (or ones that can be potentially interpreted as being negative), the rest of the explanation goes out the door. We don't have the benefit of body language or tone of voice here.
People get misconstrued all the time, even in real life. That's why it's so important to compose our thoughts carefully before posting. Because once the words are out there, it's hard to retract and explain what you really meant to say.
[addsig]well, lep and i are on the top of each others s**t lists right now, so anything we say is subject to any conclusions.
secondly, i think and type in what seems two different ways. i re-read my posts at least 3 times before i hit submit, and even do a spell check (which is ineffective since it even thinks google is spelled incorrectly)
anyways, i refuse to apologize for my bad grammar, or my bad syntax. i refuse to even acknowledge a wrong when its unintentional. i do however acknowledge that these thing happen, and am striving to not do them as frequently.
i read that sentence multiple times, and went back a last time just because you insist its the focal point and.. i still fail to read it as you do. maybe its how i structure my sentences. perhaps its because i drive busses. whatever the reasons, it was unintentional. it by no means deserved a retaliation that had only one definition. perhaps i made a mistake, there is no doubt about my job in that comment.
anyways, i think this has gone on long enough.. my views of childish behavior, has never been shared by the masses around here. yet, i endure.
i have time on my side. if no one ever begins to believe in my insights, one thing is a certainty. a similar experience will arrive someday, and my words will come out of each one of your mouths. the only difference, you won't see them and i will.
things come full circle eventually. its unavoidable. one or all of you will eventually sound just.... like....i ....do
There's some interesting psychoanalysing going on here, but unfortunately I didn't mean that comment to have anything to do with Orph's "intelligence level" at all- that's why I added the "average Joe" comment!- since I realise not many people know or care about the same things. For all I know you're a general knowledge guru who wins all your local bar quizzes! I was just peeved at the disdain towards the topic 
Aaaanyways rs6 nice sound effects in there
