DNRs are suicide?
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Re: DNRs are suicide?
Posted by Spartan on Sat Mar 19th at 8:13pm 2005


? quoting Orpheus
? quoting Spartan 34

I heard the whole story and I know that it has taken several days for her to die. But the fact is we don't even know if she can feel or understand the pain of starvation. Also I think getting mad at the husband is a bit harsh. What would you do if you were in his position?

why do you persist in overlooking the method of ending the life?

there are perfectly acceptable methods of ending one during euthanasia. starvation is not an acceptable practice. who care if she can feel, its inhumane. its also not something i would do to a "supposed" loved one.

if the law clearly allows them to assist, then it should cover methods that are humane. s**t bud, most of us wouldn't starve a dog, let alone a wife.

they already proved last time that starving her will take an inordinately long amount of time. its not like she is burning a s**t load of calories asleep.

stop overlooking "how" they plan on killing this woman. why is irrelevant since we both agree that she needs to die.

The reason I kept carrying on with it was because I thought you were getting angry at the husband. I didn't bother with the starving thing. I do agree with you that starving is inhumane. I don't know what other things they could do. So with your wisdom please fill me in on these other methods.

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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 19th at 8:16pm 2005


lets assume for the moment that assisting is allowed.
lets assume that it is the wish of the patient.
lets assume that putting a lethal dose of a sleeping agent into their IV is possible.
lets assume that any drug can be used if it causes death in a relatively small time frame.
lets assume that no drugs are allowed, a large air bubble will do it.

s**t bud, there are a whole lot of ways that are more humane.

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Re: DNRs are suicide?
Posted by Leperous on Sat Mar 19th at 8:17pm 2005


? quoting DrFrag
? quoting Leperous
DrGlass, replace the word "eat beef" with "murder" in the above, and tell me you think it's silly that people pass a law stopping you from wanton death sprees. People have different 'priorities' for these sorts of things.

Replace "people pass a law" with "beef cattle pass a law" and tell me that's not silly. In other words, bad analogy. I daresay DrGlass is opposed to murder, too.

Since I will say that beef cattle passing a law is silly, then, er, what's your point?!

DrGlass's "analogy" was flawed not because it was silly, but because it failed to understand that there are different viewpoints and weightings involved. Your proposition is flawed because it is physically impossible for cows to pass a law, which I'm sure you realise, but it doesn't highlight the original problem!





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Re: DNRs are suicide?
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 19th at 8:35pm 2005


*reads thread while munching on a beef burger*

uhh, what's cows gotta do with DNR's anywho's???

i must confess a tiny smidgen of confusion while trying to follow the analogy. :/

BTW, we are currently having our first BBQ of the year.. anyone else grilling some animal flesh today as well?

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Posted by DrGlass on Sat Mar 19th at 10:14pm 2005


Ok! ok!

My point is that only the learned and loved ones should have any right to fight over the life of a person. As noble as it seems if you did not know that person, how can you posibly know what they would have wanted?

I wont sign a DNR, but I sure as hell dont want some one trying to save me under the will of their god. I also dont want the government passing a bill that would make it near impossible to lay me to rest.
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Posted by SaintGreg on Sat Mar 19th at 11:00pm 2005


First off I just have to say that in this whole thread not one person spelled "resuscitate" correctly. Or pronounced "ree - suss - ih - tayt", not "resusicate".

And I don't see how DNR's could be considered suicide, since it only stops them from bringing you back to life not killing you or not trying to save you.

And on assisted suicide I can hardly think of any pleasant ways to die. And most of them involve bineg asleep during the process. Most poisons that kill are pretty nasty for the short time you are still alive. Starvation is just sick.
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