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Posted by Cassius on Mon Apr 11th at 9:42pm 2005

? quoting DrGlass
I would guess that they said "ok earth, give up" we said "oh noes we wont" they then blow up France and

... we were so indebted to them that we gave up our planet voluntarily.

Where did you get this stuff about the portal storm?





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Posted by Captain P on Mon Apr 11th at 10:50pm 2005

"Portal" Storm Continues:
models/props_lab/corkboard002.mdl

As for Black Mesa being nuked, you could see the G-man fiddling with the nukes warhead at some point, so yeah, if OpFor was incorporated in the official storyline, then BM is gone.
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Posted by habboi on Tue Apr 12th at 4:21pm 2005

http://fragfiles.org/%7Ehlstory//timeline.htm

Helpful site with the story so far.

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Posted by DrGlass on Tue Apr 12th at 5:59pm 2005

? quote:
http://fragfiles.org/%7Ehlstory//timeline.htm

Helpful site with the story so far.



thats the site
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Posted by Cassius on Tue Apr 12th at 6:13pm 2005

That's a plausible timeline, but still based on guessing. He does, however, make one big mistake: as I said before, the United States did in fact take over Xen after Nihilianth's death. He also misinterprets Breen's position as Administrator of City 17 as being Administrator of Earth and assumes that City 17 is the Combine's capital.

It's a nice little timeline, but not by any means perfect.





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Posted by Andrei on Tue Apr 12th at 7:33pm 2005

He also mentiones that after the fall of the citadel in C17, the combine would have been forced to reattempt conquering earth, as if he didn't mention that there were other combine cities around; cities that didn't have a Gordon Freeman to do the dirty-work.
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Posted by DrGlass on Tue Apr 12th at 7:56pm 2005

Yeah thats a big hole there, I mean there is even mention of a City 14 in the first minutes of the game, also, I dont think the citidel is only in City 17.

I like to think that the Citidel is kinda like a large landing craft that the Combine crash into major urban area's.
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Posted by ReNo on Tue Apr 12th at 8:14pm 2005

City 17 must have had some reason to be targetted by Gordon, or his "overseer" the gman. I don't think you can say its just one of the many cities - it must have had some greater importance than the others or it wouldn't be City 17 that you liberate during HL2. Also, the fact that Breen was the administrator of Black Mesa and now City 17 suggests it is of some greater importance - why would Breen, somebody who was there during the initial events at Black Mesa, be the human in charge of some random eastern European city if it wasn't of some greater significance? Why would Barney, Eli and Walter have chosen there to base their operations?
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Posted by satchmo on Tue Apr 12th at 8:39pm 2005

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Why would Barney, Eli and Walter have chosen there to base their operations?

I think that's the only way for Valve to work all these familiar characters from HL1 into HL2. It's just convenient, but not necessarily meant to be logical.

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Posted by DrGlass on Tue Apr 12th at 9:17pm 2005

I think think that breen was working with the combine, and he is infact a high (dare I say highest) ranking human to the combine. I'm saying that C17 was like the capital but there are other cities out there, not to mention the fact that the combine still have controle of a major part of earth.

Though, now that breen (and I supose everyone else in C17) is dead the combine dont have the foot hold on the humans like they used to.
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Posted by wil5on on Tue Apr 12th at 10:45pm 2005

When you arrive at C17, some guy says something along the lines of "Dr breen? here? I thought I was done with him when I left city 14" and then someone else says "I wouldnt say that if i were you, this is his base of operations"

So I think its safe to say Breen has a similar position in other cities as in city 17. I also think the ending sequence (with the whole parasite thing) implies he has more power (or apparent power at least) than just admin of C17.

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Posted by satchmo on Tue Apr 12th at 11:09pm 2005

Could there be more than one Dr. Breen? The Combines could've cloned him with their technology, and installed a copy of him in every city. [addsig]



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Posted by DrGlass on Wed Apr 13th at 12:57am 2005

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Could there be more than one Dr. Breen? The Combines could've cloned him with their technology, and installed a copy of him in every city.

hmmmmm..... sounds far fetched but at the same time, not so far fetched.
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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Wed Apr 13th at 3:14am 2005

? quote:

? quote:
Could there be more than one Dr. Breen? The Combines could've cloned him with their technology, and installed a copy of him in every city.

hmmmmm..... sounds far fetched but at the same time, not so far fetched.


Sounds like over-complicating things to me. smiley
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Posted by Andrei on Wed Apr 13th at 8:20am 2005

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it must have had some greater importance than the others or it wouldn't be City 17


Right. It would have been at least City (choose number from 1 to 5).
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Posted by Captain P on Wed Apr 13th at 11:58am 2005

That timeline site is actually pretty accurate, for the most part, according to Marc Laidlaw, which means it's roughly like that, given or taken a few things.

Oh well, let's just wait for HL3... :P
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Posted by habboi on Wed Apr 13th at 3:18pm 2005

Yes lets wait another 6 years smiley

The timeline is very helpful and seems to have got a lot of the story correct.

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Posted by Andrei on Thu Apr 14th at 4:55pm 2005

Ah, I just remembered something regarding HL2's storyline. If you recall, HL2 Barney reminds you of that beer he owed you. Thus, we are forced to deduce that, out of all the HL1 Barneys, the real HL2 one was the Barney that opened-up the anomalous materials lab, when you got off that train at the beginning of HL1 ("catch me later and I'll buy you a beer", he says). When you get back to this place after the resonance cascade, you find 2 9mm clips next to Barney's corpse...
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Posted by Captain P on Thu Apr 14th at 8:47pm 2005

Well, Barney and Barney may take over each other's position, as in working shifts... (though it's still weird then that Barney Calhoun was the one knocking on the door in the HL intro... Blueshift 'n stuff...)

Or 'I'll buy you a beer' is a common word amongst the Black Mesa security staff... :P
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Posted by wil5on on Fri Apr 15th at 10:59am 2005

Any pre-disaster barney will say "catch me later I'll buy you a beer", if you use them enough. [addsig]




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