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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun Apr 10th at 2:40am 2005

Well you'd probably have to deal with his brother then too, they're twins don't you know.

PIT and RD.... they really did some clever stuff with entities back for HL1 and CS.

I remember when they were working on a suicide bomber map for CS. Didn't they do rambohulk as well?




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Posted by omegaslayer on Sun Apr 10th at 3:22am 2005

Most people I come across that even know anout Half Life are counterstrike players. I tell them that CS is a HL mod, and they look at me funny: "I thought HL came from CS....." Enough said..... Mappers are rare in around here. Most of the ones I know are the ones my friend got started (me included smiley).
My wondering here is how many people at the snarkpit actually map (as in keep it up)? I bet you the majority of people that have joined the snarkpit (around the time when HL2 was going to come out) just joined so they could be considered part of the "Half Life" comunity.
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Posted by Pegs on Sun Apr 10th at 8:15am 2005

Well the only "real" person i could say that ive met that play's HL is one of my mates. all my other mates havent evan herd of it. (dont worry, i gave them plenty of shame) But ive had a LAN party with 6 mates playing HL and it was good. Untill Half of the peopled sodded off.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 10th at 6:38pm 2005

? quoting Spartan
I might have to drive over to your house Orph and meet you when I come up to Arkansas this summer.

with a bit of warning, you'd be welcome. you know my schedule, i would need to make sure that i'd be home smiley

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Posted by Adam Hawkins on Sun Apr 10th at 7:17pm 2005

Satchmo - John Romero is working on the new Gauntlet game at the moment.

Nickelplate - Gustavo is now known as Keved and pops up around these parts occasionally.

Never met another mapper myself - or at least, not knowingly. Shame I never got the chance to bump into Gwil since he lived pretty close to me before I buggered off to Lincoln, and he disappeared to Australia smiley

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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 10th at 7:34pm 2005

? quoting Nickelplate

If there was one mapper in the whole world that i wanna meet it's GUSTAVO. He is the most coolest most awesomest mapper in the whole world. I love Gustavo more than a f**ktard loves the Steampowered forums!

And all this time, I thought that I was your hero.

Keved, yeah.. he's ok

*whispers*

jk Kev

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Posted by rs6 on Sun Apr 10th at 10:08pm 2005

i tryed to make my firends mappers, but only one tryed hammer out.

his mapping experience ended with hours making a map, only to place a player spawn and notice his map was out of porportion, i think he thought liek 8 units was player hietgh. [addsig]



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Posted by Cassius on Mon Apr 11th at 12:15am 2005

Dan Grafstrom.

(<3 <3 <3)

Addicted to Morphine - Not only are Pit and RD not the same person, but they did not make FY_Iceworld. I can't believe how many people actually buy that. RD says/does anything he can to get attention, including producing a map where you bomb a cross just so he could piss off a CS Forums moderator.





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Posted by Pvt.Scythe on Mon Apr 11th at 6:20am 2005

I've bumbed into several ex-mappers in the army. They've mapped for Doom,Duke Nukem 3D and Quake, but given up after that... Weird. I've never thought of giving up mapping... [addsig]



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Posted by DrGlass on Mon Apr 11th at 6:39am 2005

I dont think its really mappers that are hard to find, I think its ameture mappers who take it seriously. I'd venture a guess that there are about, 45 people here on the pit that really know what they are doing. That number would hold true for a hand full of websites (VERC for one). So thats about 200 or so...

I've never met anyone in real life who mapps, but I have met gamers. I think that there are more people out there than you really would expect. Gameing seems to still be a kinda taboo subject, its not something your going to brag about at a party or bring up with your doctor.


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Posted by Hugh on Mon Apr 11th at 8:45am 2005

I haven't met any mappers, though I did get to shame one guy who told me I didn't know anything about Half-Life. :P Then I taught one guy how to use Hammer... his levels sucked, but at least I only had to tell him how to fix his problems once, which is quite the contrast to a lot of places. smiley [addsig]



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Posted by mazemaster on Mon Apr 11th at 11:00am 2005

A couple of my friends got into mapping at the same time as me. Other than that, I haven't ever met a fellow mapper. For that matter, I've never met a another 3D modeler either. I know a few artists, and a lot of coders though.




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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 11th at 11:11am 2005

? quoting DrGlass
I'd venture a guess that there are about, 45 people here on the pit that really know what they are doing.


/me has to wonder, exactly what variables you used. perhaps my ideal goals are a bit lower than you but i think the numbers are a tad higher, unless you are only counting the members whom "share" their knowledge then that number you quoted may be right. :/

personally, i think if you can make a map compile errorlessly, you succeeded. after that? well the mapping public is fickle... look how many Idots still frag killboxes. the most successful form of map, requiring the least amount of mapping knowledge/skill to produce. smiley

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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Mon Apr 11th at 12:53pm 2005

? quote:
Dan Grafstrom.

Addicted to Morphine - Not only are Pit and RD not the same person, but they did not make FY_Iceworld. I can't believe how many people actually buy that. RD says/does anything he can to get attention, including producing a map where you bomb a cross just so he could piss off a CS Forums moderator.



I'm mistaken. I guess I was jsut going by what I remember hearing when I used to visit the Counter-Map forums.

That's pretty low of them. Who made fy_iceworld?




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Posted by Cassius on Mon Apr 11th at 4:11pm 2005

Evidently a fairly experienced mapper, I think. The level is symmetrical and without leaks; the lighting differentiates the Terrorist from the Counter-Terrorist spawn, aiding navigation; and despite its flaws it happens to be one of the most popular maps played on one of the most popular online FPS'.

I think that a decent mapper simply knocked it up out of boredom and either left the mapping community or is too ashamed to take credit for his work.





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Posted by satchmo on Mon Apr 11th at 4:27pm 2005

Sometimes the best map doesn't end up to be the most popular one. And sometimes he best game doesn't become the most played either. Just look at Halo 2 and Half-Life 2.

There is no question that Halo 2 is far more popular than HL2, despite that it's an inferior game.

And sometimes the dumbest person may actually become the head of state for the U.S.
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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Mon Apr 11th at 4:34pm 2005

fy_iceworld is so often imitated. but was it indeed the first of it's type?




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Posted by DrGlass on Mon Apr 11th at 6:43pm 2005

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? quoting DrGlass
I'd venture a guess that there are about, 45 people here on the pit that really know what they are doing.


/me has to wonder, exactly what variables you used. perhaps my ideal goals are a bit lower than you but i think the numbers are a tad higher, unless you are only counting the members whom "share" their knowledge then that number you quoted may be right. :/

personally, i think if you can make a map compile errorlessly, you succeeded. after that? well the mapping public is fickle... look how many Idots still frag killboxes. the most successful form of map, requiring the least amount of mapping knowledge/skill to produce.



There are lots and lots of people that make maps, I'm talking about people who are part of the community and who create maps that are the opposite of a kill box, something tthat took alot of thought and care to create. Maybe my number is a little low...

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fy_iceworld is so often imitated. but was it indeed the first of it's type?


no, I dont quite recall but I think it was before cs 1.3 that a map called cs_deathmatch (maybe) came out, basicaly it was an O shaped room with blue and red lights (like iceworld) buy zones a few obsticals and raised platforms on each side of the spawns. It was very much like ice world in many ways, I think that iceworld was just a copy cat of that map with a few additons.

That is what really bugs me about the 'noobie' area of mapping. These kids take something that is good, then add as much crap to it as they can. some times it comes out better, but for the most part they ruin what ever good there was. imitation elevates some s**tty maps (like iceworld) to a ultra famouse status and ruins other maps (like dust_4, dust_2002, etc.)
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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Mon Apr 11th at 7:00pm 2005

At the risk of sounding elitist:

I don't know, I'm a little more sympathetic towards the mappers who imitate and add (poorly). Perhaps its because I'm an optimist, but I have hopes that a small number of people who create techinically unsound and uninspired dross will eventually desire to create something new, original, and well-developed. If just one of these mappers ends up producing something truly great, then I can put up with all the others.

We all have to start somewhere, the problem is I wish more people would move beyond that initial phase.




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Posted by DrGlass on Mon Apr 11th at 7:07pm 2005

? quote:
At the risk of sounding elitist:

I don't know, I'm a little more sympathetic towards the mappers who imitate and add (poorly). Perhaps its because I'm an optimist, but I have hopes that a small number of people who create techinically unsound and uninspired dross will eventually desire to create something new, original, and well-developed. If just one of these mappers ends up producing something truly great, then I can put up with all the others.

We all have to start somewhere, the problem is I wish more people would move beyond that initial phase.


I agree to a point, I like everyone else started at square one. but unlike most I didn't inflict my s**t on the world untill I knew what I was doing, even then my first true map (a death match map) was unique! It wasn't hard to make a kill box with some diffrent stuff in it... as I moved on I did make a few more death match maps (I'm talking about CS maps btw).

I dont think I have anything that some one else cound't have. I feel the real problem is that people just dont want to take the time to learn, I mean, it took me 3 years to come out with a map. I've seen people release maps after a few weeks of mapping.

Imitate maps all day and night, just dont clutter the mapping community with more crap!
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