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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 13th at 1:59pm 2005


? quoting mazemaster
Human kids aren't designed to "behave well" in public. Strange and arbitrary rules are being forced upon them for reasons they can't understand, and to add to that they are in a scary situation full of unfamiliar people. As a metric for "good parenting", I think there are far better measures than how well children behave in public.


I am not in any real position to say you are truly wrong, but it is my firm conviction that what you just said is a crock.

Children by nature are bashful and shy, now understand that I am referring to the "less than 3" club here. These are the informative years, these are also the impressionable ones as well. Habits created in this time may last a life time. True, habits created later also tend to last a life time but I am only interested in this age for the moment.

I do not for a moment believe that whipping a child will make them predisposed to be a doctor, not will whipping them make them turn out to be a city sanitation employee either. What I do know for a fact is, no one wants to have to deal with any nasty parental habits when a child is acting out in a public place. Whats even worse, these same parents if you were to inform them that their child needs to be attended to are most likely to create an even bigger scene than the child already has. The mindset just refuses to accept that they are the problem, its the room full of peoples fault.

Children are not born with annoying habits, they acquire them. If the child is misbehaving in public, it has been taught to do so.

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Posted by Leperous on Wed Apr 13th at 2:11pm 2005


? quoting Orpheus
Children are not born with annoying habits, they acquire them. If the child is misbehaving in public, it has been taught to do so.

More often than not, they pick up things like this through their friends though...





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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 13th at 2:20pm 2005


? quoting Leperous
? quoting Orpheus
Children are not born with annoying habits, they acquire them. If the child is misbehaving in public, it has been taught to do so.

More often than not, they pick up things like this through their friends though...

*sighs*

true to a point, more and more children are in "day cares" and subject to annoying habits. but the roots of these habits still stems from the same sources.

the solution still is the parents desire to make the child behave. i am not saying to beat the child into submission either. my children knew proper public habits without the need to beat them.

but yes, children do acquire bad habits from other children as well. smiley

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Posted by ReNo on Wed Apr 13th at 2:24pm 2005


I was in a restaurant recently having a nice meal with some relatives when a family with a young child sat down at a nearby table. Now it is to be expected that families will bring youngsters into such places so obviously we had no issues with this, but when the child began wandering around the other tables and pestering the clientele we did begin to get a bit annoyed. The parents were just sitting chatting away with their group, apparently happy to be "rid" of their child for a while. I found this to be quite shocking, as they were seriously just ignoring the fact that their kid was walking up to total strangers, picking up cutlery, butting in on conversations, and even trying to grab food off other's plates.

Perhaps there is something to be said for ignoring your children when they try and seek attention, but it sure as hell wasn't working on this child, and it resulted in a restaurant full of pissed off people. I know if I had behaved in such a way when I was child then I would have been smacked, and I firmly believe its the best way to deal with misbehaving children.

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Posted by fraggard on Wed Apr 13th at 3:45pm 2005


Not directly related to parenting per se, but seeing ReNo's post above and Orph's post at PFL, it seems like kids are kept far away from "adult" society in your areas, almost as if you're intolerant of them.

I dunno how to describe this... Over here, what you guys have described is very common (at least with normal folks). It's expected that you take your kids with you wherever you go, and it's perfectly fine if they start making a nuisance. You can walk over to the kid and correct him/her, or hand him/her over to the parents if it gets really annoying. It's considered perfectly normal, and no one is going to mind a bit. Wailing, kicking, screaming whatever, no one will feel offended.

And it seems that this doesn't spoil the kids in anyway. Most of us grow up to be quite respectful of others and basically decent people. Maybe you should just put up with it and correct the kids without worrying about them too much. Kids get along quite well on their own, they hate too much interference from anyone, especially their parents. All they need is a bit of advice at the right time. A lot less fuss about "right" parenting would help too.

PS: No flaming intended at all...




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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 13th at 6:22pm 2005


? quoting fraggard

PS: No flaming intended at all...

I can't remember the last time we had a decent flame fest. Shame you're not volunteering Fragman smiley

On a serious note, no one would even dream of correcting a total strangers child. I cannot even imagine how that would go over here in the States. You people in India must have an exceptionally high tolerance of intrusive events. It would be a much worse breach of etiquette to correct someone else's child.

But I am getting the impression that you are thinking that I am referring to "mild" events. This is hardly what I mean. In the case I described in the PFL post, the child was running around. He was going behind the counter at a buffet breakfast, the area meant strictly for employees. He was quite loud and throwing a fit over some toast or jelly. I am considered very tolerant by many when it comes to children, but this was blatantly a lack of parental guidance. The entire room was.. annoyed to say the least. All the while, the mom was... not even aware. yeah she talked to him, she knew he was there, but didn't cringe or nothing when the ear piercing shrieks began.

It takes a real dedicated person to expose total strangers to their faults of this nature. :/

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Posted by Cassius on Wed Apr 13th at 6:30pm 2005


What's more disgusting than a child misbehaving in public is an adult overreacting about it. Seeing a parent hit or emotionally reprimand his/her child is one of the most repulsive things I have ever seen.



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 13th at 6:33pm 2005


? quoting Cassius
What's more disgusting than a child misbehaving in public is an adult overreacting about it. Seeing a parent hit or emotionally reprimand his/her child is one of the most repulsive things I have ever seen.

to a point i agree, hence my words at PFL:

"You must make a child mind at home, before they will mind in public"

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Posted by ReNo on Wed Apr 13th at 6:58pm 2005


Frag, most of the time in the UK we are quite intolerant of children, and I'd wager we are becoming more so. If they are kids you know or your own kids / family's kids, then people are generally fine with them being a bit noisy or intrusive. On the other hand, children of strangers are, from my experience, increasingly seen as a nuisance. When I've been on holiday in Spain, Italy, or the South of France, kids are normally very much accepted and put up with. Back here though, people seem to like peace and quiet in a restaurant, not screaming children or kids running around and getting in the way of the staff and pestering customers.

I myself don't like young kids, probably because I don't have younger siblings and only recently have my aunts and uncles had children - therefore until now I've never really had young children to "put up with". I'd imagine that having younger siblings, or kids of your own of course, makes you much more tolerant.
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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 13th at 7:12pm 2005


? quoting ReNo
I'd imagine that having younger siblings, or kids of your own of course, makes you much more tolerant.

I can tell you that grand children most definitely brings it all home. I am immensely more tolerant than I was with my own children. My grandson destroyed my $350.00 prescription glasses once. He came away without a clue as to his error. It was my fault in a way, but I still feel he should have been better taught not to touch things. :/

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Posted by fishy on Wed Apr 13th at 7:52pm 2005


i've none of my own that i'm admiting to, but i've had a few on loan, and imho, young kids are the most amazing little critters you can ever meet. once they've passed the rubber neck stage and can be safely thrown around, they're just so much fun.

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Posted by Spartan on Wed Apr 13th at 9:54pm 2005


When I was younger I got spanked a lot. I'm glad too. I would hate to end up growing up as a little asshole. Sometimes I just want to slap parents in the face for the s**t they let their kids get away with in public. I also don't get why parents bring their babies and toddlers into rated R movies. I went to go see Dawn of the Dead a year ago in the theatres and there were several parents in the front row who had little kids climbing over the seats and babies who cried the during the whole movie. I almost asked for my money back because it was so annoying I could hardly watch the movie. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 28th at 2:50pm 2005


I recently saw this on TV, and thought it appropriate for this thread.

The scene is taken from the T.V. show "Judging Amy"

In the scene Maxine Grey is talking to her spoiled rich nephew.

him: I need help Maxine, my life has been Hell.
her: No, you may have been in purgatory, but not Hell. Hell is an infant with burns on their genitalia because their mother is putting cigarettes on them.
him: its not my fault that I do not know what Hell looks like.

I am so fed up with spoiled rich kids and their imagined woes. smiley

I try to work up some compassion when I hear one has killed themselves, but can't. I think, "whiny kids, make whiny adults, good riddance" - cold that may be, but its me, get over it.

I just cannot fathom why people shelter their children to a point that life's normal issues become major events. Events massive enough to kill themselves over.

I would not wish my childhood on anyone, but it did create a condition to where I didn't whine at everything imaginable.

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