Monkee.. I swear to you it was 100% coincidence. At the time this show was on. I was thinking, "what a coincidence, we have a thread marginally similar". I could have just as easily posted those stats in my thread about parenting, since it had a few replies concerning "teens" but reconsidered cause I just happen to click on this topic first.

You know me, I have been a prude about this topic for ages, but.. I have not gone out of my way to be evil about it. I do have a modicum of manners, at least I have enough not to totally disrupt the entire forum. This topic could very easily degenerate into such.

On a more serious note. My thinking was truly about the first two stats. I cannot help thinking " Poor rich people, they have not been taught to deal with life's many hardships and resorting to suicide is their only option" and " You would think, with the rise of the acceptance of personal anger issues that homicides would far outstrip suicides"

In each of those two, I was genuinely shocked when the guy mentioned the stat. The third? well, it was neither a shock nor a surprise TBH, but he said it all in one breath so I included it verbatim as he said it for accuracy.

My goal was not to "win" or "prove" a point, but to just post an incidental. You and I are always gonna be on opposite sides of this, but I do feel that we do not have to be hostile about it. I do try to be........ well I try to be sympathetic to your feelings. At least as much as I am able and still express myself honestly.

[edit] stupid link timed out. this is the program I was watching.

I used to feel the same way, until I met seveeral gay people at University, where I realised that they're usually normal, decent people, unless anti-gay views have made them stay in the closest and affected their confidence and social skils. They can't help the way they feel any more than you can help being straight- many of them do lead a hetero life at some point, but find that it just doesn't work out- and could you force yourself to change your sexuality? It shouldn't really be viewed as any more abhorrent than someone with a genetic disfiguring disorder, or a missing limb, or behavioural problems from a bad upbringing - yes it's different from the norm, but it's not their fault or anything they can do anything about, and it's not going to hurt anyone in any way.

With regards to marriage, who cares? I'm not Christian and I don't think many people here are, so what's the problem with the state viewing them as a couple and allowing them to define property, wills etc. easier? Worried about which one you called Mr or Mrs, are we? Yes, any children they have need to have influences from both sexes in their life, but unless they're shipped off to some single-sex-island they'll get that in their life, somehow. Besides, hetero couples still manage to churn out homo children!

/says a rampant heterosexual male who's managed to get over his homophobia!

/not meant to be a dig at anyone in particular, especialy fishy

PS now camp people, gay or not, realllly piss me off... damn them and their chihuahuas and mincing about!

Okay, here's the pictures..

"Blub?" you say..

The sentence "B?sser og Lesbiske p? Fyn" means "FAggots & Lesbians at Fyn*"

*Danish island.

Yeah, the pictures fit together perfectly..

Imagine if most of us are homosexuals and the heterosexuals are the minorities (please don't point out the biological paradox; it's a theoretical arguement), how would the anti-gay people feel then (presumably they are heterosexuals)?

In turn, they would be the ones who are discriminated against and labeled "sinners". To me, it's just as wrong as racism, except being a racist is really not socially acceptable nowadays.

Just wait twenty years, then all you bigots would be damned as what you really are--bigots.

Nah, that job is taken. Those Klans members would be glad to accomplish any mob justice for you.

In 20 years everything will be so "Politically Correct," that if you claim that someone is a 'bigot' they will instanly be tried by a number of methods that can be read in the book: "The Salem Witch Trials."

Man, Political correctness sucks dog bollocks. It's not just PC though, it's this whole thing where NOTHING IS WRONG with anyone anymore, we just gotta accept them as they are.

Satchmo, in your job you came across a fat boy and told his parents that he shouldn'e be so fat, and they became defensive and completely irrational when they told you that it was none of your business and that he is just fine.

That is what you sound like now, only a slightly milder version. Yes, Racism is wrong, but i have a RIGHt not to like other races (i DO like other races), just like i have a RIGHT to think that homosexuality is wrong. (i DO think its wrong)

It's not bigotry, it's morals and values. Which is something America forgot a LONG time ago.

Main Entry: big?ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
- big?ot?ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big?ot?ed?ly adverb

Main Entry: ob?sti?nate
Pronunciation: '?b-st&-n&t
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin obstinatus, past participle of obstinare to be resolved, from ob- in the way + -stinare (akin to stare to stand)
1 : perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion
2 : not easily subdued, remedied, or removed <obstinate fever>
- ob?sti?nate?ly adverb
- ob?sti?nate?ness noun
Main Entry: in?tol?er?ant
Pronunciation: -r&nt
Function: adjective
1 : unable or unwilling to endure
2 a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : BIGOTED
- in?tol?er?ant?ly adverb
- in?tol?er?ant?ness noun
synonyms OBSTINATE, DOGGED, STUBBORN, PERTINACIOUS, MULISH mean fixed and unyielding in course or purpose. OBSTINATE implies usually an unreasonable persistence <an obstinate proponent of conspiracy theories>. DOGGED suggests an admirable often tenacious and unwavering persistence <pursued the story with dogged perseverance>. STUBBORN implies sturdiness in resisting change which may or may not be admirable <a person too stubborn to admit error>. PERTINACIOUS suggests an annoying or irksome persistence <a pertinacious salesclerk refusing to take no for an answer>. MULISH implies a thoroughly unreasonable obstinacy <a mulish determination to have his own way>.

2 entries found for prejudice.
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prejudice[1,noun]prejudice[2,transitive verb]

Main Entry: 1prej?u?dice
Pronunciation: 'pre-j&-d&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment -- more at JUDICIAL
1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
synonym see PREDILECTION

I see nothing contained within this that applies to this discussion and am of the opinion that it was only interjected to be hateful and/or mean. its insertion only disrupted the otherwise mature flow of the thread. it assumes that they are correct and we are wrong. this discussion has not proven one or the other is correct. in fact, i think its rather bigoted to not like millions of people whom find homosexuality wrong.

*shrugs*

perhaps its only me though.