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Posted by wil5on on Sun Apr 17th at 12:17am 2005

I'm not criticising your point, I'm just questioning it. Personally I dont feel strongly either way on this issue. [addsig]



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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 17th at 12:25am 2005

? quoting wil5on
I'm not criticising your point, I'm just questioning it. Personally I dont feel strongly either way on this issue.

and theres nothing right or wrong about that, but i am not asking you why you are the way you are. it would never enter my mind to back you into a corner in such a way.

personally, i think inaction is the same as supporting a thing, but thats just me.

sometimes i ask myself, "do these guys ever really think before they ask?" because i have never been compelled to explain myself to anyone, nor do i expect it in return.. i can't even recall the last time i asked someone to do so. :/

Wilson, i am not offended at you but i do get annoyed sometimes when people ask such a question with so cavalier an attitude.

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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun Apr 17th at 12:56am 2005

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what happens when a stanch god fearing family raises a child properly and they go out and get pregnant or die from drugs?

whats your point? i raised my children with all the proper beliefs that could, there was no guarantee that they would grow up and retain them..

have you never heard of peer pressure? if your chosen group of cronies decides that gay is OK, you may decide that its OK as well.. or get pregnant, or die from drugs

instilling proper morals does not guarantee retention of said morals.

some people, will do the exact opposite just because.. if you are weak willed enough, you could turn out to be anything



My point is that I personally don't believe a person's sexual orientation is influenced by peer pressure. The idea that a person will be peer pressured into turning gay seems ridiculous to me. Just because a person hangs out with people who don't think being gay is wrong, doesn't mean that person will turn gay. I have never met (in my relatively short 20 years of life) a person, of any sexual orientation, who has pressured someone to turn gay.

What I do believe is that the environment a person grows up in, and the friends that person makes, will determine whether or not that person will be comfortable enough to admit that they are homosexual. If the person is heterosexual, they will not turn gay in a liberal environment. But if the person is homosexual, they'll be more comfortable coming out if they're surrounded by friends and family who will still love them regardless of their sexual orientation.

Boyfriends pressure their girlfriends to have unprotected sex. Friends pressure friends to take a hit. But homosexuals don't pressure heterosexuals to turn gay.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 17th at 1:20am 2005

? quoting Addicted to Morphine




Boyfriends pressure their girlfriends to have unprotected sex. Friends pressure friends to take a hit. But homosexuals don't pressure heterosexuals to turn gay.

its not pressure per say, its alteration of perspectives.

my best friend in the world was straight.. i am not sure what he is now.. he started hanging out with a group of gays, his reasoning also i am unsure of.. he told me when i asked "are you gay now? he looked me dead in the eye and said "No! he is bi-sexual"

we have not been as close anymore.. sadly i see absolutely no difference in a part time fag and a full time one.

i firmly believe his opinions were altered by his environment, a made gay.

he is still my best friend, but he also knows that if he wants to remain so, he better keep his activities to himself. i do not want to hear the sordid details.

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Posted by DrGlass on Sun Apr 17th at 1:23am 2005

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Why do you think homosexuality should be fixed?

ask yourselves why they should not be first. then ask if that question justifies a response.

actually, what makes you think you should even ask me? is that not at least as intrusive as me thinking they need fixed?

furthermore, if you were following the discussion, you would know that i think gays are made, not born. so your question does not apply to me.



I dont think homosexuals are 'broken'

I just wonder why you think that, even if some one is "made" gay, their life choice should be changed becuase a majority dosn't agree with it?

I'm not trying to change your opinion or anything, I'm just curious why you would have that opinion.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 17th at 1:31am 2005

? quoting DrGlass


I'm not trying to change your opinion or anything, I'm just curious why you would have that opinion.

and sadly i am forced to say "thats really none of your business"

sorry, but its just not part of the equation. why i feel the way i do will not enlighten you in the least. you will not learn a thing by my doing so, so i will just keep it to myself.

before you think ill of that, ask yourself, what kind of person would i be, if i convinced you i was right?

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Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Apr 17th at 3:06am 2005

Well, didn't this get off topic fast <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">.




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Posted by satchmo on Sun Apr 17th at 3:12am 2005

? quoting Agent Smith
Well, didn't this get off topic fast .

I know, I never had a chance to discuss the original topic. And now the thirteen year old is charged with murder, but the judge postponed the trial.

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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Apr 17th at 3:19am 2005

remember that time that you were naked at school and everyone was laughing at you and you couldnt wake up? that's cause it was real!!

how's that for off topic?

heh, anyway, being an old-fasioned guy, I don't think that Homosexuality is right. I don't know where the hell you ppl get that it's genetic!!!

In order for a problem to be genetic, the gene must be passed on from your parents. If your parents are both males, they cannot make a child together and they cannot propagate that gene. so....WTF?

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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Sun Apr 17th at 3:24am 2005

http://www.snarkpit.net/forums.php?forum=1&topic=4763&start=0

ffs. :P
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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Apr 17th at 3:40am 2005

? quoting Kage_Prototype
http://www.snarkpit.net/forums.php?forum=1&topic=4763&start=0

ffs.

FFS indeed, okay from now on if gays don't try to make me gay, I won't try to make them straight. Deal.

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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun Apr 17th at 5:40am 2005

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i firmly believe his opinions were altered by his environment, a made gay.


It seems to me that its possible that a person in his position always had doubts about his heterosexuality, and it was only when he started hanging out in that environment that he was comfortable admitting it. I just can't imagine a straight man with no qualms about his sexual orientation hanging out with homosexuals and thinking that their way of life is better for him, and that he should change his orientation. It just doesn't make sense to me. I can't imagine his new gay friends brainwashing him... or seducing him... or whatever the other possible explanations one could put forward.





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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Apr 17th at 8:33am 2005

? quoting Addicted to Morphine


I can't imagine

Dude listen to yourself.. i can't imagine a guy looking at a guy and getting a hardon either, but it happens. i can't imagine a lot of things, but it happens every day.

you people are so narrow minded that its painful not only to watch, but to listen to as well. it may not be common, but for some gays its all ABOUT THE SEX.. some guys can be persuaded to swap over simple because its easier to have sex with a man, than it is to find a woman willing. usually the time from meeting to bedroom is shorter as well. thats a horrible generalization, but its basically true none the less.

most people are under the opinion that being gay has nothing to do with sex, i on the other hand think it is entirely the determining factor. the first group think its some feminine, lisp talking idiot who goes around wishing he could fit into a size 5 dress, where i believe its people who stick their wanger into each others rump end.

being taught to be gay, is not as far fetched as you want to not believe..

? quoting satchmo

I know, I never had a chance to discuss the original topic. And now the thirteen year old is charged with murder, but the judge postponed the trial.

as to the original topic, i was pissed, but my comment was genuine.. you derailed it my friend. i hope you can at least admit it and move on.

some people actually believe anger issues a born trait.

perhaps if you were not so gung ho about your gay views, the thread would have stayed a bit true. smiley

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Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Apr 17th at 9:52am 2005

I agree that those who perform such acts of violence, like school shootings and things, already have a psychological or genetic predisposition towards such acts. Apparently .05 percent of the population are psychopaths, and usually its people within that percentage that do such things. I mean, I play GTA and other games, but I don't want to go around running people down. I feel guilty killing bugs sometimes. And I'm sure that most people in this community and the world are also this way.

Of course this isn't taking into consideration the situation in which the act happens, and any other environmental, social, psychological, physical issues that affect the individual in their actions. But generally people have an inbuilt block to hurting others, particularly those of the same species.

If anyone is interested in this subject and would like to find out more, I found the book 'On Killing : The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society' by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman to be a great read and extremely interesting.



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Posted by $loth on Sun Apr 17th at 9:56am 2005

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Let's ban baseball. it obviously causes young kids to commit violent crimes.

I wonder if this kid had played GTA3.


Ha! Just what I was thinking, scapegoat!

When did the snarkpit come back then?
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Posted by Dark Tree on Sun Apr 17th at 11:52am 2005

I love a good flame. smiley

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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun Apr 17th at 2:47pm 2005

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I can't imagine

Dude listen to yourself.. i can't imagine a guy looking at a guy and getting a hardon either, but it happens. i can't imagine a lot of things, but it happens every day.

you people are so narrow minded that its painful not only to watch, but to listen to as well. it may not be common, but for some gays its all ABOUT THE SEX.. some guys can be persuaded to swap over simple because its easier to have sex with a man, than it is to find a woman willing. usually the time from meeting to bedroom is shorter as well. thats a horrible generalization, but its basically true none the less.

most people are under the opinion that being gay has nothing to do with sex, i on the other hand think it is entirely the determining factor. the first group think its some feminine, lisp talking idiot who goes around wishing he could fit into a size 5 dress, where i believe its people who stick their wanger into each others rump end.

being taught to be gay, is not as far fetched as you want to not believe..



When I say "I can't imagine his new gay friends brainwashing him... or seducing him... or whatever the other possible explanations one could put forward." I'm in effect saying, there's no explanation for what you're arguing is happening. If you want to document some cases where people were brainwashed by gays be my guest. You say "Dude listen to yourself.. i can't imagine a guy looking at a guy and getting a hardon either, but it happens. i can't imagine a lot of things, but it happens every day." When you say "I can't imagine" you just mean, I can't stand to think about that happening. When I say I can't imagine, it's because its an impossibility, when you say you can't imagine, it's because its abhorrent to your mind.

A guy getting a hard on for another guy, strange as it may be to you, happens all the time. Yet the idea of gays brainwashing/indoctrinating straights, is strange to me, because just doesn't happen.

You ignore my argument completely and instead pick and misinterpret my language. So here's two direct questions. How often do gay people turn straight people gay? Has it happened before in one documented instance?

I would answer, never and never.

Next, to call me narrow minded is simply unfair. I just have a different opinion than you do. Your justification for my supposed "narrow mindedness" is that I don't agree with you. You could call me narrow minded if after everyone of your posts I ignored everything you said and just reposted my original statement again in all caps. I didn't expect you would try to assume the moral highground on this debate, when essentially we're arguing about a moral issue on the same level. We both have different opinions, but as long as we're exchanging ideas on an intellectual level, no matter how much our opinions differ, we're not being narrow minded. In fact its the opposite.




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Posted by Cassius on Sun Apr 17th at 6:46pm 2005

? quoting Orpheus
some people actually believe anger issues a born trait.

Uh... sometimes, yes it is, in part. That doesn't mean we should allow excessive anger issues to persist, nor that we shouldn't hold people accountable for their behavior, but anger issues are often chemical, just like depression.





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Posted by Bewbies on Mon Apr 18th at 4:59am 2005

oh.. geez.

::slaps forehead::

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Posted by Myrk- on Mon Apr 18th at 8:12am 2005

Well if it is a born trait then surely we should be sentencing people to prison whilst they are still in the womb! [addsig]




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