dude listen to yourself.. so right..

there are millions upon millions of people whom think that anger is a born thing. something you have within you upon conception even. the same damned excuse is used over and over to explain away.. to f**king explain AWAY evil actions. it doesn't truly explain them, it just reduces it to the level of giving up on it. why argue, its what they were born with, right?

either you accept that issues of the mind are born traits, or they are issues learned through life's experiences, you cannot flip from one side of the other on a whim.. which is exactly what you are doing.

if people are born gay, they can be fixed, if people are born angry or tend to act upon anger with physical violence, it can also be fixed. i still hold to my convictions, of which i am not alone in, that people learn these things, and as such MUST be held accountable..

speaking of "life styles" a defense you use liberally.. sad that.. anyways, a few hundred years ago it was 100% acceptable in japan to f**k little children, especially little boys. thankfully, that life style was held in contempt and as far as i know is no longer held in a good light.. so as far as your life styles defense goes.. IT SUCKS ASS.

you keep comparing apples to oranges. racism is not the same as homophobia.. (i cannot believe i just used that word in a sentence, its so wrong, but it seems the only common ground to work upon )

racism is wrong, it does not have to be sanctioned to be so, it is wrong. discriminating of gays is wrong to, but treating them like gays is not discrimination. gays are proud of their differences, until it doesn't give them what they want anymore, then they want to be treated like normal folks. its a lot like the womens lib movement of the 60's.. they wanted equality up until it was granted to them, then they wanted to be treated like women. go figure.

anyways, you are working under the assumption that you are championing a noble goal, when all you are really doing is perpetuating a wrong under a noble banner.

either way, i am not attempting to change your views only to point out that you are swapping sides whenever it suits your need. either gays are born, or they are created, either anger issues are born, or they are created.. all wrongs are either/or.. you cannot swap whenever it begins to disprove your point.

anyways, i have hashed this out with far to many people, damned few of them were open enough to even entertain the idea that they might be wrong. even you took my comment in the other thread and turned it into a noble thing. i did not say you were a bad guy for supporting human rights, i said you were a bad guy for being so closed minded to your belief that you must be right. the very same people you despise. you are indeed one of the bad guys now.

just.. like.. me.

and you won't either. i am not the type to use an excuse like that to prove my point.

i always get the feeling that people just do not understand exactly what i am complaining over.

1) gays exist, i do not care that the do.. that is not my issue, i abhor the concept of homosexuality. STOP COMPARING racism to abhorrent actions.

2) i am a believer that homosexuality is taught.. reason? when i was a child, my best friends family believed in nudity.. to them it was nothing to go around 24/7 naked as a jay bird. what does this have to do with homosexuality? nothing, but the idea is, if you are raised from birth to not see it as wrong, you won't

3) i hate reverse discrimination.. go into a restaurant.. couple #1 is hetero, couple #2 is homo.. couple #1 begin to cuddle and kiss, so does couple #2.. if a patron complains about couple #1, the management is apt to ask them to stop, the management will not in all likelihood approach couple #2.. i have witnessed this multiple times.

4) fixing a wrong, before it becomes a wrong is not discrimination.. if a future gay person is fixed before birth, they will never know that they were destined to be abnormal.. case solved.

5) who's to say that fixing them before birth is not what was meant to happen eventually anyways?

bottom line, stop comparing racism to this.. it does not apply. and i will stop complaining that that you are wrong.

what happens when a stanch god fearing family raises a child properly and they go out and get pregnant or die from drugs?

whats your point? i raised my children with all the proper beliefs that could, there was no guarantee that they would grow up and retain them..

have you never heard of peer pressure? if your chosen group of cronies decides that gay is OK, you may decide that its OK as well.. or get pregnant, or die from drugs

instilling proper morals does not guarantee retention of said morals.

some people, will do the exact opposite just because.. if you are weak willed enough, you could turn out to be anything

Jezus H Christ, you make it sound like I never argued with my parents generation.

I am old, I am not ancient.. I have had these ideals since before i was your age, and long before all of you were born. that does not make them right because they are old ideals, but it sure as hell makes them mine through unwavering dedication to them.

Stop making it sound like i am wrong just because i am old.