What the hell is wrong with this stupid country?!
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Posted by Leperous on Wed May 4th at 10:05am 2005


Tomorrow, we have in the UK our general election, which to outsiders is where we choose our local MPs and thus our new Prime Minister. Obviously, Tony Blair has been the PM for the last 8 years, and is going for his last term at this election.

Now, Labour have really c**ked things up here over the time they've been in Office- the only nice thing anyone can say about them is this family tax credit scheme they've introduced, and that "the economy is doing well," which to be fair isn't really their doing (we've actually dropped a lot in productivity, and have a huge trade deficit). Our population isn't increasing or becoming more ill yet hospital waiting times are up and there are ridiculous "targets" imposed on them and GPs (anyone see Question Time last week on TV?), and crap about privatisation. They have utterly f**ked up education: see the whole AS-level scandal and increased exams for all, that they pay A-level students a 'wage' just to turn up to school yet University students now have to pay back a massive loan to get a degree (and it's even worse for post-graduates), and this nonsense about "academies" where anyone can donate some money towards getting a new school built, and be able to dictate some of the curriculum taught. The trains aren't any better, streets no safer, the blatantly corrupt European Parliament is seeping power away, there are blatant problems with the postal ballot system; yet they blame the last government for all these problems, 8 years ago. They've had scandals with MPs (Keith Vaz and Peter Mandelson are still going, and David Blunkett is set to make a come back), take one of the highest tax cuts from petrol in the world (we must pay about 5 times as much for petrol as in the USA), making the world unsafer with this war in Iraq, and the foot and mouth scandal was just a... scandal.

Recently they've been hit with a number of 'scandals' of sorts- a defecting MP, published legal advice saying that the war in Iraq really needed another UN resolution (and that it appeared that there was something dodgy going on between the government/attorney general), a solider being killed in Iraq and the parents "personally blaming Tony Blair" for it, and a huge MG Rover factory shutting down after telling the government for years that it's unsustainable and that the Chinese owners were only ever after the brand name for themselves. Yet, all the polls show Labour increasing in popularity. Thanks to Blair, government spin over the last 8 years has made people lose a lot of trust in our politicians- and it seems the more wrong he does, the more people dislike him, but most of it rubs off on the opposition leaders.

So, in conclusion, Blair is a m0ng and for god's sake don't vote for him tomorrow, or else we're going to be in a world of hurt <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_redface.gif"> /end canvassing





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Posted by DrGlass on Wed May 4th at 10:17am 2005


Yay! good luck, hope you dont get skull f*cked like us =)
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Posted by wil5on on Wed May 4th at 11:15am 2005


Not being in Britain, I wouldnt know exactly how it is, but it cant be as bad as you say... youre obviously emphasising the bad points about the government, and avoiding mentioning the good theyve done (which they must have since, as you say, the polls show them increasing in popularity).

Of course that education thing sounds like it sucks... you have to pay back your loan before you get the degree? Or is it just that theyre making you pay it back at some point? Here it gets added onto income tax (if you earn above a certain amount, you effectively pay more income tax until the loan is repaid), and has been afaik since the 80s.

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"the economy is doing well," which to be fair isn't really their doing (we've actually dropped a lot in productivity, and have a huge trade deficit).

Productivity as in GDP growth I take it... theyre not really long-term bad things technically, but still, the people saying that are probably stupid and dont understand the issues...

omg i didnt mean to make this post that long...

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Posted by Loco on Wed May 4th at 11:21am 2005


I tend to try not to comment on politics, but just this once I'll make an exception. I suspect that Labour is becoming more popular due to the fact that this is Blair's last term. People are voting for the idea that Brown will soon take over, and they apparently like him for the economy. What will happen when Brown does take over is a different matter.

On a side note, I completely agree with what you say Lep, plus the fact that in Britain a teacher gets attacked every 7 minutes of the school day (not the same teacher, I must point out! ) and various other points, but that's just my personal opinion. To be fair, Labour did privatise the Bank of England, which everybody agrees was a good move now. I had a mock election yesterday, in which I was opposing Labour, so suffice to say I have a lot of statistics!

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Posted by $loth on Wed May 4th at 11:45am 2005


Ok, ok, I retract.

The ema is quite a bit of bull****. I get it, and pretty much the only reason I don't work is that I get this (soon to change as I have applied for a couple of jobs which I should here from next week). There is the whole thing of it suppose to help pay for travel etc, but tbqfh I see something different when I see others buying clothes, cd's etc with it. There are a lot of people at my college who travel by train to get here, but quite a lot of others are from around here and it costs them under ?10 to get here each week. Why use it for food, the food here is pretty crap unless you go to the sport's cafe above the hall, but that's too small to cater for everyone, why not bring a lunch?

I guess my view was clouded by the fact that I get ema.
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Posted by Loco on Wed May 4th at 11:52am 2005


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So you are saying it's better to pay uni students a 'wage'. Whats better, getting more people to go into college so they can at least see they have a future, because tbqfh more yr 11's don't have a f**king clue what they want to do so they end up thinking they are going to work on a building site or work in asda the rest of their lives, or paying a small amount of student's a 'wage' to go to uni, and I mean small because if you pay uni students rather than college students then there aren't as many college student's to go to uni because unless you go to college it's pretty f**king hard to get into uni.

I see very little wrong with the ema scheme. Most people I know make good use of it.

I think the main issue here is not getting people to go to college/uni - I think a lot of people would agree with you on this point, but the problem is student finance. The current threshold for top-up fees is too low for a start, and getting employment after university is too difficult. Bear in mind that using wages as a "bribe" for students isn't really a great solution. It helps, but the policy of "one size fits all" universal inclusion may not be the right one. There are other methods, and I feel that these wages are literally more of a bribe than anything else.

Anyway, thats a total of 4 cents now. As far as I am concernned, "enough of talking, it is time now to do". smiley
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Posted by fraggard on Wed May 4th at 11:54am 2005


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They have utterly f**ked up education: see the whole AS-level scandal and increased exams for all, that they pay A-level students a 'wage' just to turn up to school yet University students now have to pay back a massive loan to get a degree (and it's even worse for post-graduates),


So you are saying it's better to pay uni students a 'wage'. Whats better, getting more people to go into college so they can at least see they have a future, because tbqfh more yr 11's don't have a f**king clue what they want to do so they end up thinking they are going to work on a building site or work in asda the rest of their lives, or paying a small amount of student's a 'wage' to go to uni, and I mean small because if you pay uni students rather than college students then there aren't as many college student's to go to uni because unless you go to college it's pretty f**king hard to get into uni.

I see very little wrong with the ema scheme. Most people I know make good use of it.


Or maybe they can just not pay anybody anything, and let the colleges and universities handle scholarships.

It seems to work in most places in the world... Is there some other reason why this can't be done in the UK? Am I over-simplifying?




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Posted by $loth on Wed May 4th at 11:55am 2005


I see what you mean.

/picks up 2 cents.

What I don't get is the whole fee thing for uni, there seem to be serveral; student loans, top up fees etc.
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Posted by Agent Smith on Wed May 4th at 1:32pm 2005


I can sympathise with the situation Lep, we've got the same problem with our Prime Minister here, except most of the public believes his lies everytime. He raises taxes, adds new taxes, and does just about everything to squeeze money out of people; then hoards it, not spending it where its needed, till election time; then wastes it all on s**tty policy to bribe all the f**ktards in the population into voting for him.

I'm sure Desplesda, 2dmin and other Australian members will agree with me that the system is borked.

Not to mention the fact that they allowed uni's to raise course costs by 30% (basically $100-300 depending on the course, for each course, each session), then decided to abolish compulsory student union fee's to give the poor student a break ($80 a year). It was only done to cut off funding to the groups who protest his policies.

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Posted by ding on Wed May 4th at 1:42pm 2005


Oh it seems that not only Germany is going to become s**tty in education, economy and politics.
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Posted by SpiKeRs on Wed May 4th at 3:07pm 2005


Nice post Lep. I cant even begin to comprehend how labour are getting more popular given the amount of bs they do. Someone I know is voting for Labour but when i asked why, she didn't have an answer....................




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Posted by fishy on Wed May 4th at 3:38pm 2005


i think the more important question would be, 'would you buy a used car from ANY politician that you've seen recently?'. they're all twisted power-hungry s**ts, prepared to mislead everyone for their own personal ends. why vote for any of them?

i know that down south, there is the belief that the people of scotland complain unfairly about their treatment from english governments. the unfair treatment isn't a myth, it's the reason that the tories will never be voted in here. the anti-tory stance here really only makes elections a one horse race.

if people were more politically astute, then i doubt that we'd even have 10% of our current mp's.

every time i see michael howard, i see the confidence of a man that's just found out there are photos on the net of him shagging a dog. there is something seriously amiss with that guy.

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Posted by Leperous on Wed May 4th at 4:03pm 2005


? quoting wil5on
Not being in Britain, I wouldnt know exactly how it is, but it cant be as bad as you say... youre obviously emphasising the bad points about the government, and avoiding mentioning the good theyve done (which they must have since, as you say, the polls show them increasing in popularity)

That's half of my point, I can't say anything good about what they've done- they let the Bank of England decide interest rates or some such 8 years ago, this family tax credit scheme, and that we haven't had some horrific stock market crash or somesuch. Anything else? Er, not that I can think of, really; yes of course the world isn't about to end, but the region I live in is going to pot, thanks to foot and mouth, ridiculously priced petrol, a ban on hunting, and thousands of new houses being built with minimal/no community infrastructure such as schools or shops to go with (plus, the economy doing well means that all the city people are buying local houses which puts up prices, and prevents locals from buying any!)





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Posted by Andrei on Wed May 4th at 4:19pm 2005


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but it cant be as bad as you say


My guess is that even if it were as bad as he says, it still would be a whole lot better than in many other european countries IMHO. smiley
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Posted by habboi on Wed May 4th at 4:24pm 2005


It seems a lot of people are disliking our Mr Blair so they are even voting for the other parties :S

I am not going to say who I am voting for because it might cause anger!

I just hope our Country is sorted out!

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Posted by DrGlass on Wed May 4th at 4:45pm 2005


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It seems a lot of people are disliking our Mr Blair so they are even voting for the other parties :S

I am not going to say who I am voting for because it might cause anger!

I just hope our Country is sorted out!



whats the voting age over there?
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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Wed May 4th at 4:49pm 2005


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Posted by Pegs on Wed May 4th at 5:30pm 2005


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rofl, i herd on the news there going to soon be making that 16.....
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Posted by gimpinthesink on Wed May 4th at 5:37pm 2005


Yay I go voting soon and I aint wasting any ink on Blar or Howard.

The ema is annoying especially when I carnt get it and really need some art stuff and have to go scrounging off other people on the course so I can get the work done.

Labours really helped the comunity I live in it is now a class 1 povity area so its as bad as the city in Poland that makes furniture for Ikea, and there are more houses going up even tough there are aload of empty ones around and the one that backs on to my house is derilict and was supposed to be demolished last year.

Aparently crime is falling yet there seem to be more shootings in notts than before but that could just be that the news is reporting it more.

But anyway I dont want any of the partys to win cos I dont like any of them especially Labor and the tories but no doubt we will end up with one of those two running the country into the ground.

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Posted by $loth on Wed May 4th at 8:25pm 2005


another point, nothing is being done about proper food in the schools either, it has been proved better healthier eating improves concentration and motivation.
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