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Posted by ben_j_davis on Wed May 11th at 10:29am 2005

Old vid - I knew that the Hitboxes were bad in CS:S but not this bad. People with bad aim are more likely to get a high score. Again sorry, most people will have seen this already.

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=css_hit_b0x_bb

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Posted by Orpheus on Wed May 11th at 10:39am 2005

I had not seen this, but I do not doubt it one second. My son and I frag constantly. I am not making excuses, but I know I am a better fragger than my score says. I have literally nailed him with a double shotgun blast only to see his score still at 100. smiley

I was beginning to honestly believe that I would never get back into my swing.

Is there any plans to correct this issue?

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Posted by Dark Tree on Wed May 11th at 10:42am 2005

Yeah....had no idea about this....but same as Orph, I have found my shotgun to be completely useless about 90% of the time. Avoid shotguns like the plague. And that hitbox thing...doesn't surprise me one bit. Although I wonder if it is a bot thing. [addsig]



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Posted by ben_j_davis on Wed May 11th at 11:02am 2005

I don't think it is a bot thing, why make bots difficult to hit? or change the hitboxes for models used by bots? Hey you never know?

I don't think they will fix this. This is completely deliberately, to allow noobs with no aim to have a good chancing of owning. Or it could just be a problem with client and servers. Still, things are not right otherwise people wouldnt be ranting about it.





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Posted by Orpheus on Wed May 11th at 11:06am 2005

? quoting ben_j_davis

I don't think they will fix this. This is completely deliberately, to allow noobs with no aim to have a good chancing of owning.

But it completely removes the concept of accuracy. How can a n00b own if the killing zone moves erratically? Its not even consistently in front or behind, its all over the globe. smiley

/me reckons I will have to practice till I figure out the pattern.

Ignorant fuk's, ruined my play, and me with so little time to spare doing it.

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Posted by ben_j_davis on Wed May 11th at 12:34pm 2005

Found this

http://www.pro-hl.com/column_bomberman_1.shtml





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Posted by OtZman on Wed May 11th at 2:41pm 2005

Is there anyway to show the hitboxes on more than one model at a time? For example showing the hitboxes on all bots in a game.
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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Wed May 11th at 3:21pm 2005

So this hitbox inconsistency applies to HL2DM and all of HL2's MODs?
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Posted by Forceflow on Wed May 11th at 3:52pm 2005

For people who prefer downloading the movie:
http://x200.putfile.com/videos/c5-12520334712.wmv
Especially the part with the scout on Dust2 is shocking.

I've always thought something was wrong ... a lot of blood-splashes just hang in the air, vertically.
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Posted by SaintGreg on Wed May 11th at 4:29pm 2005

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I don't think they will fix this. This is completely deliberately, to allow noobs with no aim to have a good chancing of owning.


I think its a bug in the source networking where the client prediction is way off. We already know that the client prediction is terrible (ie shaking on ladders and other moving objects). So yes, they probably won't fix it, but its because they suck, not because they don't want to.
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Posted by ben_j_davis on Wed May 11th at 5:17pm 2005

There is a big rant going on the Steam forum about this problem.

Heres a link.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=285412

I posted a few messages. Check out around pages 7 onwards, thats when the hitboxes arguement starts.





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Posted by DrGlass on Wed May 11th at 5:17pm 2005

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I don't think they will fix this. This is completely deliberately, to allow noobs with no aim to have a good chancing of owning.


I think its a bug in the source networking where the client prediction is way off. We already know that the client prediction is terrible (ie shaking on ladders and other moving objects). So yes, they probably won't fix it, but its because they suck, not because they don't want to.


ouch, not a nice thing to say on a valve friendly website.

I think they will work on fixing this. Valve/Steam has its problems but Valve comes through, if they didn't care do you really think you would be getting updates every 2 weeks on your games and would they have kept CS 1.0 updated for 5 years?
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Posted by Andrei on Wed May 11th at 6:06pm 2005

Ah yes, the weekly updates. I think that, rather than shoving so many (almost) insignificant updates up our rears they should be working their asses off fixing this critical problem!
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Posted by Spartan on Wed May 11th at 6:43pm 2005

I always had my suspiciouns that this was going on. I knew that it was complete bulls**t when I was unloading fifty AK bullets into someones chest and they were walking away without a scratch. [addsig]



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Posted by DrGlass on Wed May 11th at 7:24pm 2005

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Ah yes, the weekly updates. I think that, rather than shoving so many (almost) insignificant updates up our rears they should be working their asses off fixing this critical problem!


I think they fix what they can when they can.

I dont know why so many people think Valve is some kind of evil company that sits around all day "muhahahha lets not fix the hit boxes so those noob miss the person they shoot at, hahaha suckers"

I'm not a programer and I dont know much about network activity, etc. but I'm sure valve has a good excuse for not fixing these problems right away.
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Posted by Forceflow on Wed May 11th at 7:49pm 2005

The video might be a bit over-done. They set the interp to 0.3, which is considered (at least, in TFC) as hacking.
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Posted by Andrei on Wed May 11th at 8:37pm 2005

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I dont know why so many people think Valve is some kind of evil company that sits around all day "muhahahha lets not fix the hit boxes so those noob miss the person they shoot at, hahaha suckers"



I'm not saying Valve sit around all day drinking beer. All i'm saying is they should choose their priorities more carefully.
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Posted by DrGlass on Wed May 11th at 8:40pm 2005

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I dont know why so many people think Valve is some kind of evil company that sits around all day "muhahahha lets not fix the hit boxes so those noob miss the person they shoot at, hahaha suckers"



I'm not saying Valve sit around all day drinking beer. All i'm saying is they should choose their priorities more carefully.


Well after reading the artical posted above I'd guess that this is something that is quite hard to fix. If they are only working on small updates, then I agree with you, but I'm willing to bet that Valve is working on the big problem but at the same time not neglecting the small problems.
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Posted by ben_j_davis on Wed May 11th at 10:03pm 2005

People always say the same thing to me on forums when i'm moaning about Valve. "Yeah but how many updates do they do? Practically 1 every 2 weeks, no other games company does that."

And my response is always the same. Valve make Halflife and that's it. If you were relying on pratically only one game to bring in all the money, its pretty obvious you would make sure it was updated as often as possible.

It will be exactly the same for 3D Realms when/if they bring out Duke Nukem Forever. If they lose that franchise they are fcuked.

This hole hitbox thing is pissing me off. If CS had no problems with them, why does CS:S have the problem? The same guy on the Steam forum kept on going on about the same thing. The tickrates are lower on the CS:S than in CS.

When i said just increase the tickrate, he said it would cost to much to run high tickrate servers. WTF?? but the old CS servers could??





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Posted by omegaslayer on Wed May 11th at 10:16pm 2005

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People always say the same thing to me on forums when i'm moaning about Valve. "Yeah but how many updates do they do? Practically 1 every 2 weeks, no other games company does that."

Blizzard makes and update every week on World Of Warcraft, so it is possible to provide more customer support.
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