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Posted by Spartan on Wed May 18th at 10:10am 2005

So which upcoming console do you think will be most appeasing to you?

I can't believe how amazing the graphics on the PS3 look. It's also the only thing so far that actually ran Unreal 3 smoothly. Check out Killzone 2 and the new Tekken.





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Posted by Loco on Wed May 18th at 11:27am 2005

I don't tend to base things on looks, but the XBox 360 looks like a souped up breeze block and the Playstation 3 looks like a certain well-known boxer's grill. The Revolution isn't without fault either, looking suspiciously bland. The one thing I am impressed by is the number of features on the XBox 360 - downloading updates for games, playing media etc. All very impressive stuff. At the end of the day though, it'll probably be the Revolution for me, partially because of the backwards compatibility with my GameCube games.



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Posted by SpiKeRs on Wed May 18th at 11:31am 2005

MS thinking releasing xb360 before anyone else will give them an advantage, but I dunno really...Id have to go with ps3 because read somewhere its backward compatable with ps2 AND ps1 games.




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Posted by French Toast on Wed May 18th at 11:48am 2005

I just hope that the xbox 360 controlers don't have a huge jewel that says xbox...just incase we forgot...




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Posted by Orpheus on Wed May 18th at 11:57am 2005

Where's the option for those of us who think consoles blow chunks?

even if its a lark, you should always include an option for people who may not find your choices acceptable. :/





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Posted by Dark Tree on Wed May 18th at 11:57am 2005

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At the end of the day though, it'll probably be the Revolution for me, partially because of the backwards compatibility with my GameCube games.

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Posted by Myrk- on Wed May 18th at 12:41pm 2005

Never have and never will like the playstation... I'm more content with the Xbox, knowing that when its all chipped and hacked to bits it becomes a mean bean super computer with amazing potential. Plus I kinda like Microsoft, I dont see the big deal with them- at least they offer an OS which is half decent and normal people can use.


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Posted by BlisTer on Wed May 18th at 1:21pm 2005

? quoting Orpheus
Where's the option for those of us who think consoles blow chunks?

even if its a lark, you should always include an option for people who may not find your choices acceptable. :/

i agree. i find consoles to be overhyped and offering no advantages over PC, being expensive, game-restricted, ...




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Posted by Myrk- on Wed May 18th at 1:33pm 2005

Actually blister I think you'll find the game variety on consoles to be bigger than that of PC's... And the games tend to be more fun, I've had enough of 1st person shooters now, I'm content with the current selection. Consoles have good racing games, and you guys are all neglecting the point in consoles! Your all cave dwelling PC users, Consoles are a very sociable thing, invite your friends over, have a beer, play Burnout 3 on your Xbox etc. Its not the same as PC's...


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Posted by Myrk- on Wed May 18th at 1:35pm 2005

Spartan it might be useful to post a link to this Revolutions console, I don't think anyone knows what it is...




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Posted by ReNo on Wed May 18th at 2:19pm 2005

Blister, consoles are cheaper than PC's, not more expensive. You find a brand new PC able to play games well as the Xbox for ?100 and I'll be impressed. As myrk said, they also offer a far wider range of games. Fair enough there aren't many TBS or RTS games flying around for them, but pretty much every other genre is covered. Actually there ARE even a fair few new TBS games for consoles (Disgaea, La Pucelle Tactics, Phantom Brave, Atelier Iris, Stella Deus, Dynasty Tactics, Romance of the Three Kingdoms), and a few RTS hyrbids (Kingdom Under Fire, Kessen).

Out of the new consoles, I'm really a 360 man. My Xbox is my favourite of the current generation, and with Live it really has nailed how to do online gaming for consoles. With Project Gotham Racing 3 (the second game was online racing nirvana) and DOA4 they have their typically high standard racing and beat em up launch slots filled, and Blue Dragon, Lost Oddysee, Oblivion and whatever Square might have (besides the, lets face it, not very impressive news they are bringing over FFXI, a PS2 game for gods sake) appear to give a wider range of RPG's than the Xbox offered for quite some time. Frame City Killer looks like it could just about shape up to be a Shenmue style wandering adventure with hand to hand combat (though the shooting sections looked AWFUL in the video I saw). Ghost Recon 3 looks beautiful and atmospheric, Gear of War runs on the Unreal 3 engine so enough said really, and with another FPS adventure coming from the CoR:Escape From Butcher Bay developer, I think that offers a pretty decent array of action games. Factor in what sounds like an MMO racing game from an experience developer (Test Drive Unlimited), Need For Speed going back to its old police chase days with style (NFS: Most Wanted, just watch the video ), A Kingdom Under Fire/Dynasty Warriors/Kessen style game from the developers of the first game listed (Nighty Nine Nights), and much more besides, and there is plenty there to keep most people occupied. The system itself looks ok, and better vertical than horizontal (which is a shame given that with the PS2, that apparently did damage to the drive) in my opinion. Wireless controllers are a major plus point for me since all mine tend to break at the wires, and the controllers themselves seem to be very nice and address most people's complaints about the old ones (giant Xbox logo, black and white buttons being crap). Backwards compatability isn't really too clear at this point due to the wording in the conference ("it will be backwards compatible with the top selling xbox games"....hmmm), but even if it is only for limited titles, its still a plus point. My Xbox has, unfortunately, a Thompson drive and crashes frequently, so if I can get one in November and not have to put up with the crashes in some of my older titles, I'll be a happy man.

Of course the PS3 press conference really "pwned" the 360 one when it came to stats and demos, even if it did somewhat fall behind in terms of the presentation (poor speakers (well English wasn't most of their first languages so its understandable), very standard stage design, lots of boring sections, etc...). The Killzone and MotorStorm videos really did look too good to be true, and for most people, thats how they are taking it. The guy did say before the videos rolled that they are all real time, but they really did look prerendered in terms of visual quality and smoothness of animation. If they turn out to be real time, and the games ACTUALLY look like that when they hit the shelves, I'll quite possibly jump ship and get one of these instead By mentioning sequels to all their big hitters, including recent games like GT4, DMC3, Tekken5 and MGS3, they will really pull in many many consumers. I'd be amazed if many of them appear in the first few months of the PS3's release though, and if they do I wouldn't expect much from such short development periods. Oh of course I almost forgot about the console itself - ewwwwww. There was one cropped frontal screenshot I saw that made it look almost exactly like a NES! I really dislike their design for it, with the indented section for the disk looking really awkward and old. Less said about that new controller design the better too!

The Nintendo press conference video stream was f**king up for me so I didn't bother to watch much of it. Their new Gameboy looks tragically small to me, and I can't begin to imagine how most games will be playable on such a tiny screen. I guess their handhelds normally do well, so it will most likely be a decent seller. The Revolution probably LOOKS the best out of the new consoles, and being backwards compatible with apparently ALL their old systems is quite an acheivement. Quite how this will be managed - apparently by downloading them and putting them on discs or something - isn't clear, but if its possible thats one hell of a selling point. Of course the fact is I have an N64 and SNES sat in my living room, and NEVER play them, so I think for me at least this is a feature that sounds cool, but will never be used. Since this is only early days for the Revolution and it won't be out for a long while, there weren't any games mentioned that I know of, so how they stand on this front is yet to be seen. No doubt they will offer a pretty decent selection of first party titles, but will third party developers be willing to support them after the gamecube?

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Posted by KungFuSquirrel on Wed May 18th at 2:29pm 2005

I'll be getting all of them. X360 is a given since I'll be shipping a game on it, but there's a bunch of other games I'm giddy for on that one - Gears of War and Ghost Recon 3, for example - and the controller is the most sexily awesome controller ever on the face of the planet. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

PS3, while I hate the controller design and am not won over by the real-time claims of KZ2 and that racing game (I believe Insomniac's title, though the video was low quality, seems far more believable and the GT shot I saw looked like HLR graphics with a few extra features), will have some great games and be well worth the purchase. Plus it's the only way I'll get any Insomniac or Naughty Dog stuff. :P

And the Revolution's backwards compatibility support alone makes it a winner. I have a lot of GC games but came into the console thing late so the opportunity to get and play older titles (Conker immediately comes to mind <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> ) makes me very excited. It'll be interesting to see what games they'll be offering for it.

But yeah. I'll be getting them all eventually.


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Posted by Fjorn on Wed May 18th at 2:33pm 2005

Example of console vs PC prices...

x-box 360 has 3 3.2g CPUs...

the x-box 360 will sell for ~$300 (IIRC)

to buy those same CPUs for a PC, it'll cost around $750...



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Posted by Loco on Wed May 18th at 2:34pm 2005

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Spartan it might be useful to post a link to this Revolutions console, I don't think anyone knows what it is...

I'm not Spartan, but what the hey...

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Posted by gimpinthesink on Wed May 18th at 2:41pm 2005

I wont be getting any cos I preffer the older consoles especially the SEGA ones and seen as how SEGA isnt making any more consoles that means I wont be buying any more consoles unless there are enough games to tempt me to get one which is what the GC has nearly done.


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Posted by Orpheus on Wed May 18th at 2:44pm 2005

Jezus H Christ Duncan, I got plumb wore out just trying to read all that. I bet you got just as tired typing it all.

I, being poor, will gladly stick with my PC's and their paltry attempts at game competitiveness thank you very much. I cannot even imagine trying to keep up with the Joneses and buying consoles too.





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Posted by Kage_Prototype on Wed May 18th at 2:46pm 2005

PS3 has a few nice games in store (MGS4, Devil May Cry amongst others). I wonder if all those pre-renders they're throwing around really are indicative of the console's power (which I doubt, but I like to beleive). It's also a damned ugly console. Looks like a bloody grill.

Revolution's backwards compatibility (a large "holy s**t!" from myself), as well as looking sleeky and shiny as f**k, gets the win from me. Plus we get Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc. I just hope they reveal these super secret control pads they've got cooking ASAP.

Xbox 360 looks like it's been sat on. "Deep Breath" my arse, it's a squashed pillow bathed in liquid nitrogen. Perfect Dark Zero is not enough for me to shell out for a brand new console.

Revolution wins for now; a definate on-the-day purchase. Might get PS3, but 360 looks unlikely unless they get some more interesting games.

btw, did any of them release details on games being released with the console?



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Posted by ReNo on Wed May 18th at 2:58pm 2005

Xbox 360 will apparently have Project Gotham Racing 3, FFXI, Kameo, and Perfect Dark 0, but I don't know what else. I'd wager DOA4 might be since the third was for the Xbox, but since DOA:Ultimate hasn't been finished for all that long I guess I might be hoping for too much. They have said they are on target to have 25-40 games available in the first three months of the console's life, which is a very respectable number.

Since Nintendo haven't mentioned any games for their system, there is obviously no info on release titles. PS3, as far as I know, haven't mentioned any release titles either.




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Posted by Leperous on Wed May 18th at 3:01pm 2005

? quoting Fjorn
Example of console vs PC prices...

x-box 360 has 3 3.2g CPUs...

the x-box 360 will sell for ~$300 (IIRC)

to buy those same CPUs for a PC, it'll cost around $750...

Processors are more than their clock speed, and don't forget that this thing isn't out yet- when you get a hold of one of these things next year, 1mb of L2 cache in a 3ghz chip won't be state of the art, or cost a vast amount.





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Posted by ReNo on Wed May 18th at 3:05pm 2005

This year actually, its out in November <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> Your point still stands of course - its not comparable to buying 3 single 3.2Ghz chips. Not that that detracts from the fact that consoles are cheaper than a comparabaly powered PC.




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