Forsake the Troops
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Re: Forsake the Troops
Posted by G4MER on Sun May 22nd at 12:58pm 2005


Well Orph then we will be run down together.. Ill be the deer licking the asphalt next to you. =) But thank goodness there is the web and we can look up stuff.

http://www.wordspy.com/words/Googlebombing.asp ( that explains it ) Unless he means something completely different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googlebomb

My family has been in or around the military service our entire life. The problem this guy has is he does not understand that the people in the military are not well taken care of. He thinks they get paid too much.. then explain to me why they have to be on food stamps to feed there families, were talking people upto the rank of E6. People at E6 break even at the poverty line in this country, that means E1-E5 are below the poverty line. Back in the 1990's the Goverment took away there 100% free Medical. They switched to a HMO like service, that all military people are required to join. They have to pay into this benefit if you can call it that if they want to or not. And it doesn't stop there either. Back in the day all uniforms were provided by the service, now you get 2 sets of BDU's 2 pairs boots 5 pairs of underwear thats tshirts socks and undies. You also get 2 hats, and a Dress uniform. Ok thats great but by the time your done with basic training and AIT, these have to be replaced, and the soldier has to foot the bill, as well as the daily upkeep, cleaning, pressing, boot polish etc.. all this stuff adds up. a Pair of boots alone is 85+ bucks. So the taxes a person pays for is not going to the soldiers, its going to the goverment that uses it to buy stealth planes and missles and what not.. so dont hate the soldier, he/she is not to blame.

Why this guy is hated, is because he has spilled forth his hate and contempt. He has attacked people, and as you said if you disagree with him your stupid and desrve the worst thing that can happen to you. He calls out that these people all should die, and they are not wanted here in this country, the very people that gave him the right to voice that opinion, the very people that died on forien soil so he could sit there with his one shaved eye-brow and belittle and attack the very people that gave him the rights to say what he has. This guy is such an attention whore he recently faked his death, and just a couple days later came clean and said.. You people are all so stupid for thinking im dead.

The problem here is DRGlass, is the troops do deserve what little they get and more. They are paid to protect and server our county and our people, and often people of other countries as well. Its nice of you to try and take the middle ground here.. but im sure you have an opinion one way of the other.





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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun May 22nd at 4:28pm 2005


I think part of the problem is that we have an all volunteer army, and people in the army are there by choice. If there were a draft and everyone could be potentially called on to serve, I don't think there would be the grounds for the same arguments. I personally don't have a problem supporting these people, the real people who go in and live what all the senators and statesmen and our president talk about so lightly. I support the tropps, but I don't support what the government has them fighting for. Anyway -- this guy wants more control over where his taxmoney goes, because he doesn't support this all-volunteer army. A lot of people would just say to him, that's how our country has always worked, and if you don't like it just move someplace else. He's obviously going about it the wrong way by being so pugnacious, but I think he brings up an issue: it's important to have discussion and discourse about the state of our government and the way things are run. Nothing will progress if people aren't open to the possibility of review, analysis, or change. I'm not saying we should do what he says, but I do think that people who think differently than the status quo will almost never see changes or progress because currently they are labelled traitors and anti-patriots by the government and its supporters.




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Posted by fishy on Sun May 22nd at 6:59pm 2005


http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen5/f4_iraq.html

the problem lies with governmental policy, not with the wage that grunts do/don't get.

i'm generally a pacifist, but that guys just got one of those faces that's screaming out to get slapped. maybe a poke in the eye, too.




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Posted by DrGlass on Sun May 22nd at 11:08pm 2005


Dont get me wrong Money, I dont agree with this guy. I'm just pointing out that if he wasn't a dick about it and wasn't so extremest about it he would have a leg to stand on.

There is almost a backward way of payment in this world. Teachers, soldiers, police, etc. get payed so little while Senators, Judges, Presidents, etc get paid so much. Congressmen get something like $400,000 a year, they start the wars and something like 1% of their children even go to war. On top of that, politicians already make alot of money, due to their education or family. While military folks are commonly from the poorest rung of society.

Hell I think politicians should be payed next to nothing, and soldiers should be paid much much more.





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Posted by Orpheus on Sun May 22nd at 11:28pm 2005


? quoting DrGlass

There is almost a backward way of payment in this world. Teachers, soldiers, police, etc. get payed so little while Senators, Judges, Presidents, etc get paid so much.

Uhh, I hate to say this but.. For the Importance of the position, the Presidency pays way to little. Don't get me wrong, its still a lot of money, but as far as being "HEAD HONCHO" a lousy 100 grand or so is pocket change.

I do get your drift though. Personally I think that they should initiate standardized pay for all jobs in the USA. A Doctor in Mass. should not get more salary than the same doctor position in say Alabama, or Kentucky.. Same hold true for Cops, and all jobs. This would keep the best doctors from migrating to the better paying locations and people in poorer states could receive the same level of care.

I believe this very strongly. I think Truck Drivers and Janitors or whatever the job should be the same pay nation wide.





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Posted by G4MER on Sun May 22nd at 11:46pm 2005


So it would end up being a pay scale, and if I lived in Seattle versus El Paso TX, I would get paid the same.. sorry Orph it wont work. You see I could be a Janitor here in El Paso and only be paid 5.15 an hour.. while the same Janitor in Seattle would starve to death because the cost of living there is so much more. Heck the states minium wage is 7.35 an hour versus Texas 5.15. Also in Washinton State they dont pay tipped employees a different salary.. they get 7.35 an hour as well as any tips, where most states like Texas pay a reduced wage.. 2.13 an hour. Its way to hard to survive on 5.15 let alone 2.13.. That is one reason my Wife was stripping here.. because it was the only job in the area she could do and make mad money. And thats just sad. I wish minium wage would get raised nation wide.. how much I am not sure.

I dont think this guy has any leg to stand on.. he doesn't even seem to know what he is talking about. Here check out his Hannity & Combs interview.. http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/05/21/1490/





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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 23rd at 12:22am 2005


? quoting MoneyShot
So it would end up being a pay scale, and if I lived in Seattle versus El Paso TX, I would get paid the same.. sorry Orph it wont work. You see I could be a Janitor here in El Paso and only be paid 5.15 an hour.. while the same Janitor in Seattle would starve to death because the cost of living there is so much more. Heck the states minium wage is 7.35 an hour versus Texas 5.15. /

Have you never taken Economics MS?

The reason the cost of living is so high in Seattle is because they ARE paying 7.35, not because it costs more to live there silly.

Its like "Price and Demand" The reasons things cost more, is because they are most desired. Cost of living goes up because someone decided that living in Seattle was preferable to El Paso. If what you say were true, the cost of living would be higher in El Paso, because of its harsh climate and living conditions. IT would "Cost MORE" to live there.

If the minimum wage (your example not mine) were the same nation wide then the cost would be flat line across the board. Milk would be the same price, houses etc.etc. The only determining factor would be scarcity of products. Milk might be higher where there is no cows, but houses would also be more without trees. So houses should cost more in El Paso than Seattle, and milk should cost more in Seattle than El Paso.

Standardized wages would work. American PRIDE will not allow it to. No Northerner would work for 6.15 an hour. They would rather go on food stamps. They have enough pride to want more money, but not enough to work and stay off Government subsidies.. Go figure.





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Posted by wil5on on Mon May 23rd at 9:18am 2005


I've taken economics and... thats not right.

The minimum wage doesnt have that much of an effect. If you were to go in and change everyones wage in Seattle, then prices would go down, however youre only changing the minimum wage, which many people in Seattle earn significantly more than. Seattle is a more desirable place to live apparently, so people who can afford to move there, will tend to move there. You end up with a Seattle full of rich people, and high prices, and the people on minimum wage (if it remains the same as in El Paso) get left behind.

Standardised wages would not work, American INCOME DISTRIBUTION will not allow it to.




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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 23rd at 9:54am 2005


Wilson, he picked minimum wage, not I. I would have chosen to start at the top if I were giving the examples.

My theory is sound, if you do that.

I took economics, hell I LIVE IT every day.





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Posted by Myrk- on Mon May 23rd at 10:04am 2005


You think your fuel is expensive? We pay the same price you do for a gallon, but we only get a litre!


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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 23rd at 10:11am 2005


? quoting Myrk-
You think your fuel is expensive? We pay the same price you do for a gallon, but we only get a litre!

I already told Lep this. Try living on the mainland a while. Your island is not big enough to show you what high gas prices are.

I would imagine (I am not sure), that I drive further on each of my runs than your island is long.

I buy about 12,000 dollars on average of diesel fuel, and about 1/3 of that in gasoline per year. Try doing that on only 25,000 income.

I am betting that you d not pay 50% of your wages in fuel. :/





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Posted by Myrk- on Mon May 23rd at 10:23am 2005


Well surely your company should be paying for your fuel on both ways of the journey, like all companies do in the UK and most other countries around the world... Sounds like your company is scamming you.


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Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 23rd at 12:56pm 2005


*sighs*

welcome to the USA Myrk. :/





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Posted by Guessmyname on Mon May 23rd at 3:53pm 2005


As I live in the UK I wouldn't know much about this, but being forced to pay for everything because some stuck-up college guy can't be bothered paying for being protected is somewhat unfair



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Posted by G4MER on Mon May 23rd at 4:29pm 2005


? quoting Orpheus
*sighs*

welcome to the USA Myrk. :/

Aye Mate.. thats why I stopped being an Owner Operator.. the upkeep was well more than the pay of being my own boss. Heck Insurance alone will kill ya. New tires, truck washes ( certian states - "Cali" require clean trucks ) fuel, toll charges, state tags, are just a few of the many expenses American Drivers have to pay. I will say that in most of my deals, the people I drove for coverd 60-90% of all fuel ontop of my other expenses.





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Posted by Dr Brasso on Mon May 23rd at 4:43pm 2005


i am a vet, as those who have been here awhile prolly know, and as such, the audacity of this site owner is to me....well....appalling....he's one thats lucky i cant get my hands around his neck....those that know me, know how i feel, so ill spare the rant.....but i must say, it still breaks my heart to know that there are those that still dont appreciate what they have, or how they are allowed to keep it....such is life, i suppose

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