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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by DrGlass on Mon May 30th at 4:14am 2005


I've just got a GeForce FX 5950 Ultra and it runs great... only when I use hammer the 3d texture window really gets screwed up. I mean hammer lagged alot before... but now its insane, it locks up for seconds at a time and is just slow. The more I use it the more texture errors I get (like flickering, color/size change, etc.)

any one know of any problems there are with this card? I think my Drivers are up to date, I installed them about a week ago.

I just switched over from a Radeon 9600 pro, could the ATI to Nvidia switch be to blame?




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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 30th at 10:12am 2005


Explain to me exactly why you stepped down from a 9600 again?

Seriously though, In spite of Crono's claim that TOTALLY removing the drivers in not a necessity, I am still convinced that this is however the case. I have had nothing but horrible results because I failed to remove them completely.

There are programs that seek out these driver extensions, google search for them and use them, tis why they were created.

When it is all done, use "regclean" to remove any residual registration crap. I can get you the last known version if you like. Its freeware, so there will be no issues with its authenticity.

and

explain exactly how a 5950 is soooo much better than the crappy 5900?

*whispers*

put the damned 9600 back in till you can get a decent card silly. :/

[edit] I was thinking of the 5200.. but my first theory is still essentially correct.

also..

do not chance generic drivers. get the newest official ones from nVidia.

Lastly, since I now have my numbers corrected, tell me why you purchased a 5950? you could have had a card better than a 9600 and retained your ATI drivers by purchasing another ATI card.





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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by rival on Mon May 30th at 10:24am 2005


ive only got a 5200 but im wanting to upgrade but im low budget any suggestions

(i know this had nothing to do with the topic but id thought id ask...)





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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 30th at 10:32am 2005


? quoting rival
ive only got a 5200 but im wanting to upgrade but im low budget any suggestions

(i know this had nothing to do with the topic but id thought id ask...)

you live in the US?

try here, I fully support this site.

A 9800 pro 256 megs card is fairly powerful and low priced now that the X-??? series is out.





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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by DrGlass on Mon May 30th at 10:34am 2005


I uninstalled all the drivers, I didin't clear the reg... so I'll try that.

As for the card and quality, the 5950 runs great the only problem is with hammer...

Also, I figured that this was a good deal. My 9600 was getting old and I was stuck with really old drivers because if I installed any other driver the card would crash my whole system if I did anything with it.

I got it from a friend for $100, it was a 5900 that was some how bumped up to 5950 power (the nvidia window thing lables it as a 5950) so I'm very very happy with it.

Is it possible that the error is comming from my mobo, processor. or RAM? It seems like a texture based error and from what I know textures have to be put on RAM, dunno...




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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 30th at 10:37am 2005


? quoting DrGlass

I got it from a friend for $100, it was a 5900 that was some how bumped up to 5950 power (the nvidia window thing lables it as a 5950) so I'm very very happy with it.

Is it possible that the error is comming from my mobo, processor. or RAM? It seems like a texture based error and from what I know textures have to be put on RAM, dunno...

Is it possible that it was poorly modded?

and

what are your plans for the 9600? I could use it.





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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by DrGlass on Mon May 30th at 10:57am 2005


? quoting orpheus
poorly modded?

and

what are your plans for the 9600? I could use it.



It is possible, but it runs great with other programs. I'll get another friend of mine to run some tests on it.

Yeah, I dont think I'm going to use it anymore. I'll look at e-bay and PM you a price, or you can just tell me how much you want to pay.




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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by Dred_furst on Mon May 30th at 11:01am 2005


lol my raedon 9200 can cope with hammer!



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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by DrGlass on Mon May 30th at 11:52am 2005


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lol my raedon 9200 can cope with hammer!


thats the thing, apart from the driver problem, my radeon 9600 pro ran hammer fine.






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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by warlord on Mon May 30th at 1:19pm 2005


ok heres a suggestion

http://www.drivercleaner.net

this is a little tool that should be used if your going to switch between ati and nvidia cards

btw i have a geforce 6800 ultra and while playing i would get occasional moments where the game would lock up for a minute and the sound would loop insainly but then it would all of a sudden kick right back and play normally

that rarly happens now im supposin because of the updates steam puts out every week




the only problem with steam updating things every week is it doesent give the developers an incentive to playtest thier work, so we do it for them



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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 30th at 1:34pm 2005


? quoting DrGlass




Yeah, I dont think I'm going to use it anymore. I'll look at e-bay and PM you a price, or you can just tell me how much you want to pay.

You look, you decide. I could use it sure, but I would rather you felt good about the price since I can get along without it if you decided to sell it elsewhere first. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

I would like first crack at it though. It would be a step up from a 9000 which is running perfectly fine in my old PC.

/me will search pricewatch to determine some value for a 9600 pro.. I assume this is a 128 meg card?





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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by Fjorn on Mon May 30th at 2:41pm 2005


The geforce5 FX series is a load of crap... outpreformed by the geforce 4 series



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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by pepper on Mon May 30th at 2:50pm 2005


My fx 5200 runs fine.

Though i got a personal cinema edition with al sorts of fancy software and some sort of box in wich i can link up all sorts of media equipment.

And i got it free, after they lost my last card that disappeard in the factory for repairs.



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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by fraggard on Mon May 30th at 2:51pm 2005


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The geforce5 FX series is a load of crap... outpreformed by the geforce 4 series


This is only true of the GF4 Ti 4200 outperforming the GF5 FX 5200. It's untrue for any other cards in the GF4 and GF5 FX series. Look it up sometime.




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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by ReNo on Mon May 30th at 3:41pm 2005


Indeed - two of my flatmates have 5900's and they get significantly better performance than my ti4200. It is true that the FX series is rather poor at running DX9 based games, and HL2 in particular though, hence why it is suggested that you run it with only 8.1 effects.

Best bargain card at the moment, in the UK at least, is the Geforce 6600GT. You can currently pick them up between ?100-?140, depending on the shop and manufacturer.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/6600AGP_Series.html
http://www.dabs.com/uk/Search2/results.htm?searchPhrase=6600gt

Cheapest I've seen is the DabsValue one at ?100 (PCI-E) or ?110 (AGP), but I'd probably go for the Gainward PowerPack! AGP Ultra/1960XP 128mb "Golden Sample" at ?135.

If those are a little too pricey, then the 9800pro is still a good buy and you can normally pick them up around ?80-100.






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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by G4MER on Mon May 30th at 4:24pm 2005


ATi and nVidia are bitter rivals. Make sure to get rid of all that ATi crap outta your system. Then reinstall the nVidia drivers. I use the Omega drivers with my nvidia card and not the manufactures drivers. I get better ping rates, better FPS, and I have no problems in Hammer, well unless I am useing the displacement tool.. the program will lock up my system, but thats not a video card issue thats a Hammer issue.

I take it Orpheus does nto like nVidia.. and prefers ATi.. we all have our faults and we spotted one of Oprhs big ones.. lol

I have noticed that ATi seems to run on Steam better than nVidia, but I think thats because it was tweeked to run better on thier hardware. ( hince the little ATi logo on the box )

I have a 5950 Ultra and love it. I used to dislike ATi a bunch because they never supported there hardware, drivers would take years to update, and the quality of there stuff was way below par.. but they have really stepped up some and given nVidia a true rival in the vid card business, heck I have even debated getting a new ATi card over nVidia, but I think I may stay loyal to my lean green vid card machine.m =)

http://www.omegadrivers.net/ ( the omega Drivers I use )





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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by ReNo on Mon May 30th at 4:43pm 2005


ATi were by far the best in the last generation, while for most part, nVidia rule this one. I don't get people having blind loyalty to the different companies - just buy the card that is suits your needs the best.

ATi have generally got much better DirectX support, while nVidia rule on OpenGL. The biggest engines on each are source for DirectX, and Doom 3 for OpenGL. So if you like playing source engine games the most, then you are best off with an ATi card (particularly if you are buying a last gen card), while if you like Doom 3 engine games (such as the upcoming Quake 4) then you will be better off wth nVidia.

Moneyshot - ping shouldn't have anything to do with your graphics card drivers. The gfx card is just churning through vertices and textures, it has nothing to do with your networking stuff.






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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 30th at 5:03pm 2005


I do NOT have blind loyalties thank you.. I like both cards equally. I was just curious as to why he would more/less step laterally instead of going up markedly.. I do not feel that a 5950 is far enough better than a 9600 pro to warrant it.

If he had a 9000 like mine, or even a crappy 5200 he would be moving up several levels, but I do not think there is a wide gap between a 9600 pro and a 5950.

I would get a 6800GT almost if not as fast as an X-800 so do not think me blindly faithful.

I have however had better luck with ATI drivers and editing than nVidia ones, course they were older cards. My 9000 did a far better job and my 440 did. (I think thats my nVidia card) both were 64 meg cards.

Anywho's.. I prefer my 9800 pro. I would chose it over a 5950, but that doesn't make it a bad card.





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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by ReNo on Mon May 30th at 5:34pm 2005


I would take a 9800 pro over a 5950 as well, but a 5950 is nVidia's top of the range last generation card, while a 9600 pro is smack bang mid range of ATi's last gen. Take a look at these benchmarks to see that the 9600 pro is really quite far below the 5950...

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-04.html






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Re: nVidia and Hammer
Posted by Orpheus on Mon May 30th at 5:48pm 2005


Some of those scores look funny. They scored a 9500 better than the 9600. :/

For all we know, Docs motherboard may either not support they card or the bios needs updated to do so.





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