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Posted by ReNo on Mon May 30th at 5:57pm 2005

Thats because in some regards, the 9500 was a better card than the 9600 that replaced it. Look at some of the benchmarks in this article about the 9600 to see that the 9500 outclasses it quite often.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDU4LDQ=




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Posted by DrGlass on Mon May 30th at 10:52pm 2005

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Some of those scores look funny. They scored a 9500 better than the 9600. :/

For all we know, Docs motherboard may either not support they card or the bios needs updated to do so.



I updated my mobo, my bios, my everything. I spent weeks trying to get my 9600 to run on my computer with the latest drivers but when ever I tryed anything it never worked. I think my computer just didn't like the card.

now the Nvidia works great, except in hammer.

[edit] I've installed the omega drivers, Does my card not suppport Dx 9? fired up hl2 and looked in my options to see hardware Dx was at 8.1!




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Posted by G4MER on Tue May 31st at 3:04am 2005

Click start, click run, type in dxdiag hit enter.

Then if you need to get DirectX 9.0c





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Posted by DrGlass on Tue May 31st at 3:15am 2005

omega drivers seriously F**ked my computer, I'm going back to the offical drivers and I'm going to clean out my reg and everything... what a pain




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Posted by G4MER on Tue May 31st at 3:19am 2005

Im sorry man, they work for me. Im bummed about that, because I recommended them and you got burned. Im really sorry. Running DXDIAG wont do anything but give you info on your machine dxdrivers and video drivers and what not.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue May 31st at 3:38am 2005

Sorry to hear about what happened. In MoneyShot's defense I've been using OmegaDrivers for quite a while now because neither ATI nor DELL support driver updates for their laptops... so Omega saved me and these drivers are the only reason I can run new games. I haven't had any problems in the year or so I've used them.

Anyway, I hope you can get it all sorted out.




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Posted by DrGlass on Tue May 31st at 4:34am 2005

Yeah, its not a problem, I may have installed them wrong.

anyways, it seems to be working now and I'm going to test hammer now.




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Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 31st at 6:03am 2005

I was an Omegadriver fan till I got my new comp. It royally screwed the pooch for me. I can only run the official drivers.

I have great results however, so I am not complaining.

Doc, if you need regclean go to my briefcase

click "show all" at the bottom, then look inside the regclean folder.





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Posted by DrGlass on Tue May 31st at 9:16am 2005

Well I re-installed and used http://www.drivercleaner.net

looks like its working well, used hammer for a few hours and it ran fine. about 2 hours into it though the textures flickered a bit, but no crashing and abnoraml slow down.

games run fine, etc.




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Posted by Crono on Tue May 31st at 4:30pm 2005

Doom 3 runs DirectX by the way. All those fancy effects in all the games that everyone hypes up are DX effects. And both companies run DX about the same. There's not much of a difference. However, nVidia is just easier to work with other operating systems and Ati still has pretty bad drivers. It's sad when the official drivers are worse then 3rd party drivers.

You don't have to whipe your system of the Ati drivers. That isn't the issue and it's obviously not the issue because the problem is with only one program. I don't know what the issue is, but a driver conflict is rediculous. (Taking that, as far as I know, Windows just loads one file for each driver. That file is the current driver everything else is ignored. If it isn't, that shows how crappy Windows is.)


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by ReNo on Tue May 31st at 5:17pm 2005

Doom 3 only uses DirectX for DirectInput and DirectSound. It doesn't use Direct3D - it uses OpenGL for its 3D rendering. The "DX effects" you talk about are, I assume, just the shader effects.




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Posted by DrGlass on Tue May 31st at 9:37pm 2005

Why doesn't my Geforce 5950 ultra use Dx 9 in HL2? I have 9.0c installed and all the new drivers and crap... arg! hl2 looks like crap with out shaders! I want my reflective water!




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Posted by ReNo on Tue May 31st at 9:44pm 2005

It still uses shaders - it just doesn't use shader model 2.0 effects (such as the highest quality water). As I mentioned before, last generation nVidia cards (such as yours) get pretty poor performance in HL2 under DX9, so it uses 8.1 instead. You miss out on some of the top effects but it apparently improves performance significantly. I think you can force it on by using "-dxlevel 9" on your HL2/CSS or whatever launch options. There is plenty info on this around, have a search on the steam forums or something and you should get the info easy enough.




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Posted by Orpheus on Tue May 31st at 10:01pm 2005

make a shortcut to HL2dm

right click on it and scroll down to properties..

out this line, or make sure its in there

"C:Program FilesValveSteamSteam.exe" -applaunch 320 -dxlevel 90 -game "hl2mp"





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Posted by satchmo on Tue May 31st at 11:00pm 2005

I have never had any driver issue with my Radeon 9800Pro. I did, however, have an in-game stall once. I am suspecting that it's induced by a Steam update.

Nothing ever crashed, but the stalled did worry me briefly. Everything just froze, with the sound looping in the background for about five seconds. After it came out of the seizure spell, everything worked perfectly. It only happened once in the entire game.




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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 7th at 1:20pm 2005

? quoting warlord
ok heres a suggestion

http://www.drivercleaner.net

this is a little tool that should be used if your going to switch between ati and nvidia cards

Oh yes.. Thanx for suggesting this program.. /me likes.





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Posted by DrGlass on Tue Jun 7th at 8:09pm 2005

Ok here is the problem, the textures that are displayed in the 3d view of my hammer get really f**ked up and my computer runs very slow.

Then if I switch my 3D view to flat, everything is ok again!...

I'm so stumpted.




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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 7th at 8:10pm 2005

? quoting DrGlass
Ok here is the problem, the textures that are displayed in the 3d view of my hammer get really f**ked up and my computer runs very slow.

Then if I switch my 3D view to flat, everything is ok again!...

I'm so stumpted.

Starts chanting.. "DRIVERS,DRIVERS,DRIVERS"

in case you missed it.. DRIVERS.

/runs





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Posted by DrGlass on Wed Jun 8th at 2:00am 2005

I have the new driver, I cant seem to find old drivers... and the 3rd party drivers killed my computer.

need something else! arg!




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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 8th at 2:09am 2005

nVidia keeps all drivers on file at the home site Doc.. Somehow I doubt that they are unavailable, but tis a funny thing that no one with a 5950 has had issues so far. You did use the driver cleaner and all that jazz I mentioned before.. Right?

I wasn't kidding about driver clashes.. They do exist.

[edit] Archived drivers





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