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Posted by Dred_furst on Wed Jun 8th at 12:15pm 2005

my server broke in march, the power supply blew, and i think it blew the rest of the computer, as the mobo broke, the hd's broke and i was getting a BSOD on boot every time. i got a new pc, and my old pc became the server <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> the old 750mhz duron needed an update, its was bit rubbishy :P the new wond is an athlon 2000+ <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> i use it for netvis now <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

anyway, i lost 20gb of patches and stuff, off of a raid array of two 120gb (mirrored) disks, but nvm, its back up now <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by Crono on Wed Jun 8th at 7:37pm 2005

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I turn mine off daily, but only to help lower the dust it acquires. I live in a farming community and dust is ever present.
I really dislike having to do so, because I am a believer that turning a machine off and on shortens its life span by putting temperature wear on the components


Erm. It is true that "s**t" is more likley to happen durring a boot or shut down, but tempurature isn't why.

One day my HDD decided to try out Sepuku. It didn't have a knife handy (or a towel for that matter) so it decided to stop spinning.

symptoms (for future reference to a possible solution)

*Hard Drive Not Spinning
*Bios Not Finding HDD at Boot
*Yelling, Screaming, and Killing people feels like the next logical step

There's three possible solutions (at the very least to retrieve your data)

Try First:
Problem: The discs are stuck

Solution: Shake the drive like a British nanny! Don't hit it against anything, but rotate it in your hand twisting back and forth, HARD. It should free up the discs.


Try Second:
(My) Problem: See if other head settings will work (if your drive has the options)
If this is the case, then either the logic board has damage somewhere or became mis-aligned somehow.

Solution: Find an identical HDD (and I do mean IDENTICAL) and swap the logic boards (Requires a torx-8 screw head). Immediately buy a new HDD and either make a image of your current drive (NOT through Nero or something, but Ghost or Drive Image) and pop in the new drive install the image. OR Install whatever OS, slave the old drive and copy the files you want to keep.

If you're lucky it's still within the warranty period and taking the logic board off doesn't void the warranty (since there's no way for them to tell) and you may be able to get a replacement AND keep your data.

Try Last:

The only other option is to have your data professionally retrieved. Or, you could, somehow, get an identical HDD and swap the physical discs (not recommended) I doubt it would work in general though. But if you have a 'clean room' and no way to damage the discs (or heads for that matter) go for it!

There are two other possible problems that can occur.

The disc head's get misaligned somehow and grind into the discs:

You have to toss the HDD. There's no saving it, unless you want to spend thousands of dollars (which may not work).

The discs just funk up. (Common with Fujitsu drives, in fact, those are the only drives where I've seen the discs just stop saving, most other drives have enough replacement cylinders.)
Toss the HDD, again. There's no coming back (unless you have thousands of dollars).

So, hope this helps.

Oh and my drives pins became misaligned somehow. I re-aligned them and it works fine. I still need to replace the HDD though, just not to chance anything else happening.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Thu Jun 9th at 1:24am 2005

With regard to the heat issues: Yes repeatedly turning your computer will cause more wear on the components simply because of differing coefficients of thermal expansion for the materials involved. However, I highly doubt that you will own a computer long enough for these effects to have any significant impact on the lifetime of your system. My guess is that your machine will be hopelessly outdated and collecting dust somewhere on a shelf long before you thermally fatigue any of it's components.

An additional point to consider is that if your computer is left at it's operating temperature for long periods of time, you are more likely to experience random entropy driven corruption of data. I don't know how often this sort of thing happens, but it is theoretically certain that some data is lost to random thermal bit switching. The rate of this process is exponentially dependent on temperature. I suspect that in the future as storage technology moves to using smaller and smaller features, the energy involved in writing a bit will approach the ambient thermal energy (kT), and we will have to start cooling our "hard drives" with ardor equal to that with which we now treat CPUs.




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Posted by SaintGreg on Thu Jun 9th at 3:28am 2005

Heres sort of a windows bork - nothing physically broke though, windoze is just lame

Every day when i leave for work, and before bed I put my system in "standy mode" (winxp) so that I don't have to listen to the fans blowing, and so I don't waste power needlessly.

One day, not too long ago, When I turn it on, it doesn't want to accept my password. For whatever reason it just won't logon. I must have typed the password at least 4 times letter by letter and nothing. So finally I restarted it, praying to god that windows hadn't flubbed my password or something, and on restart it works just fine.... eerie...



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Posted by Crono on Thu Jun 9th at 10:12pm 2005

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An additional point to consider is that if your computer is left at it's operating temperature for long periods of time, you are more likely to experience random entropy driven corruption of data. I don't know how often this sort of thing happens, but it is theoretically certain that some data is lost to random thermal bit switching. The rate of this process is exponentially dependent on temperature. I suspect that in the future as storage technology moves to using smaller and smaller features, the energy involved in writing a bit will approach the ambient thermal energy (kT), and we will have to start cooling our "hard drives" with ardor equal to that with which we now treat CPUs.


Thus, 'HDD formatted capacity' < 'HDD maximum capacity'.

Most common HDD failures are from software initialization and termination if there isn't anything physically wrong with the discs (booting and exiting Windows, for example)


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by smidsy on Thu Jun 9th at 10:22pm 2005

i have a case which filters dust but it still accumulates dust inside the machine. so my solution was to completely ground myself and take a hoover to my machine...sounds a bit drastic i know but it is a small hoover like a dirt devil but smaller than that.this cleaned my pc up and made it look better on the inside.

My fans however i have 5 cooling fans on the case 2 120mm and the rest 80mm im not sure what that is in inches tho. i get a temperature of 35 degrees C on my cpu at most times. I also aquired recently a 650 w powersupply. Although it was costly this comp wont need updated in the near future. however my old computer was always breaking down so to speak. firstly my psu blew as it was over life expectancy, the lens on my cd drive cracked and couldnt read disks. a blade from a coolant fan detatched and flew into my motherboard basically destroying the main board its self.... that lead to this computer




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Posted by wil5on on Fri Jun 10th at 6:15am 2005

I've taken the vacuum cleaner to my comp a couple of times. It seems to be fine.

Fans coming loose and destroying parts? Thats the stuff of nightmares... :/




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Posted by omegaslayer on Fri Jun 10th at 8:13am 2005

My friend was trying to play World Of Warcraft, but after an update, it game him an error saying something about check you AGP apeture size, I know no one here plays WoW, but the solution was simply just a fresh install of the new ATI drivers.



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Posted by smidsy on Fri Jun 10th at 10:14am 2005

i play wow ....i dont think its that bad tho when you actually get the size that it is ingame its phenomal...i always sit and wonder how they did it




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Posted by Crono on Fri Jun 10th at 8:54pm 2005

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My friend was trying to play World Of Warcraft, but after an update, it
game him an error saying something about check you AGP apeture size, I
know no one here plays WoW, but the solution was simply just a fresh
install of the new ATI drivers.


That's probably because the drivers reinitialized the amount of ram the Video card was sharing with system ram (which can easily be altered in BIOS) ... needless to say, there was/is nothing wrong with the drivers.

WoW probably needed more ram that didn't exist between the video card and the aperture size available.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by smidsy on Sun Jun 12th at 6:57pm 2005

yea i needed to buy a new 512 mb card for my comp cuz it went so slow when i went into the ork capital city runs perf now




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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 3rd at 5:02pm 2006

*bumps*

I noticed a couple questions asked recently, that should have went in here..

That damned 4 month auto-lock.. Sometimes its a pain.. Most times.... Its not.





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Posted by Gwil on Mon Apr 3rd at 5:48pm 2006

TBH I'd just like to see the "Recently" threads sunk once and for all. If people have nothing to post, then they shouldn't. It seems a lot of forum content is coming "just for the sake of it".


Having a general banter board full of "Recently.." threads is making it very dull and uninspiring




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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 3rd at 6:16pm 2006

I tend to disagree but... If they stray off topic, lock'em.

So far, I feel all have a valid point for existing.

Perhaps, you feel disenchanted because my name is the author of most..





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Posted by Gwil on Mon Apr 3rd at 6:19pm 2006

No, i'm just sick of "Recently.." Threads They're swamping the board, it's becoming tedious to read.

Also I think what could be separate topics or works which deserve their own thread are getting caught up within these "Recently" threads. I'd justify keeping alive - Recently Watched, Read and Listened. The rest seem tenuous at best.

I would make an argument for perhaps having a stickied "Tech Support" thread (to replace Recently Borked), to database all PC problems encountered, or hardware recommendations et al.

I did argue for a separate forum at one stage, but with the lack of problems over the past year or so it seems a moot point.








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Posted by French Toast on Mon Apr 3rd at 11:44pm 2006

I don't know, Recently Played is good, otherwise we'll get 1 thread per game.




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Posted by ReNo on Mon Apr 3rd at 11:50pm 2006

I agree with Gwil entirely, I find the majority of "recently" threads annoying. Its not necessarily the content of the thread that annoys me, but just the whole "recently" thing. The 3 Gwil mentioned and the recently played that Frency mentioned are probably the only particularly well named ones. I'd rather everything else avoided the tired naming convention.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Apr 4th at 1:21am 2006

I'm guilty of starting one or maybe 2 recently threads, but I really only post in Watched, Played, and Listened. Sometimes read.




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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Apr 4th at 1:54am 2006

The recently threads that "are" the most popular just so happen to be the most on topic ones.. All were/are meant to be so.

The problem I see with them is.. There are to many.. Not to many for me, but to many for those who think there are. and

Those who begin another without searching. We end up with two recently threads with the same title.

If they stayed on topic, I feel we could have an infinite amount of them... Assuming we had an infinite amount of things happening.

I will prolly not create any more but, I will continue to use the ones relevant to what I want to post. IE recently found, recently borked and recently birthdayed...

Recently spooked will prolly fizzle out since its a poll. Polls rarely last more than a few days.





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