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Posted by Andrei on Tue Jun 7th at 5:30pm 2005

http://www.astralvoyage.com/projection/index.html

I've heard about astral projection and people who can do it from various sources and it all seems to come down to what they say on the site above. I was just wondering what you rational people think of this. Note that astral projection has been studied in the past by scientists who made some remarcable observations after many experiments on people who can "leave their bodies".



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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 7th at 5:53pm 2005

? quoting Andrei
"leave their bodies".

Speaking of which, I always thought peeing was better than sex. I have had occasions where a good pee brought tears to my eyes, sex never has..

/continues contemplation....





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by rs6 on Tue Jun 7th at 7:30pm 2005

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? quoting Andrei
"leave their bodies".

Speaking of which, I always thought peeing was better than sex. I have had occasions where a good pee brought tears to my eyes, sex never has..
/continues contemplation....


/continues contmeplation of orph's sanity...<img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">


I think astral projection is impossible.



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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Jun 7th at 8:53pm 2005

youll appreciate what hes saying much more as you get older rs6..... <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

well done jon....<img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">

Doc b....:dodgy:





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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 7th at 9:00pm 2005

? quoting Dr Brasso
youll appreciate what hes saying much more as you get older rs6.....

well done jon....

Doc b....

You know Doc, Most here who read that today prolly thought I was joking. In spite of the lack of blue text.

Sadly, I was all to serious.

/me wonders just how many knew I was.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Andrei on Tue Jun 7th at 9:02pm 2005

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? quoting Andrei
"leave their bodies".

Speaking of which, I always thought peeing was better than sex. I have had occasions where a good pee brought tears to my eyes, sex never has..




You can get a real thrill out of peeing if you have a swollen uretra <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> . And yeah, peeing and crapping when you just can't hold em in for much longer are 2 of the greatest pleasures known to man. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by fishy on Wed Jun 8th at 12:21am 2005

could this be locked before it gets out of hand?


i eat paint



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Posted by Mephs on Wed Jun 8th at 1:05am 2005

What about astral sex, or peeing? :P

I used to be into occult/spiritual stuff (still am to a certain extent) I tried it before, but got no results. There's a strong tie with OOBE and lucid dreams. I DID manage to control my dreams, to an extent, but astral projection has never been proven, and is another magical case of the Emperors New Cloths.

You can't do magic unless you believe in it. And all great magicians/spiritualists are 'above' showing off.

Put simply. Untill I see people firing lightning bolts and flying around, I won't believe in it.

Still, meditation and magic ritual have good psychological points.




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Posted by Cassius on Wed Jun 8th at 1:09am 2005

? quoting Orpheus
? quoting Andrei
"leave their bodies".

Speaking of which, I always thought peeing was better than sex. I have had occasions where a good pee brought tears to my eyes, sex never has..

/continues contemplation....

Just never mix up the two.





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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 8th at 1:13am 2005

? quoting Cassius

Just never mix up the two.

No worries on that account my friend. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Madedog on Wed Jun 8th at 4:30am 2005

I've studied Astral Science, and even in my fav. forums (http://foorum.hinnavaatlus.ee/), there is a HUGE topic on Astral Science. Talking about OOBE, near death experience, etc etc.

I'm sure you've had dreams where you fall off very high, and the moment you crash the ground you wake up in your bed. It's tied to something like er... your astral body being "pulled" back into the physical body, for example.

I haven't gone very deep of it, but AFAIK, you can fly around the house you live in (I live in a flat apartment), and see what your neighbours do. Then you can, with other people in Astral Condition (lol), talk. They can be miles (or even thousands of miles) away, but you can talk with them like they were right next to you. The only condition is that they need to know about AS, too, and what they can do in there.

There are tribes who are skilled in this, and can communicate with their, hmm, ancestors, in this way.

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Posted by Andrei on Wed Jun 8th at 8:27am 2005

Ahh, yes, lucid dreams! I've had many of those im my life including a rather strange experience in which a dream was interrupted when I woke up and resumed 60 seconds later when I went back to sleep.




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Posted by Mephs on Wed Jun 8th at 10:57am 2005

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I haven't gone very deep of it, but AFAIK, you can fly around the house you live in (I live in a flat apartment), and see what your neighbours do.


I think I speak for everyone when I say, NO YOU CAN'T.

If you could, you'd easily be the most powerful person on earth, and highly paid by governments and the like for your god like powers.

You THINK you can, because the mind is a very powerful thing. It would be quite simple to test whether or not you actually see something happening in another room, simply by getting someone to do or say something random in that room and telling them exactly what they did.

As I said, if it was possible, people would be doing it, and, considering the fact that nearly every fluffy wicca or hippy guru swears that they can do this, it would be pretty hard to miss its affect on every day life. Passwords, pin numbers etc would be compromised by people psychically looking over your shoulder at ATM machines!

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The only condition is that they need to know about AS, too, and what they can do in there.


How convenient. "Hey man, I WOULD prove it to you once and for all without a shadow of a doubt, but unless you can do it too, you'll have to take me and my wacko friend's word for it" :P




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Posted by Madedog on Wed Jun 8th at 11:28am 2005

<img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">

Well...

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I haven't gone very deep of it, but AFAIK, you can fly around the house you live in (I live in a flat apartment), and see what your neighbours do.

Yes, it is the imaginary that you'll see. You can even read books in dreams, but when you try to read it second time, you'll see that the contents have changed. I just forgot to mention it :-P

Your mind actually remembers everything that it sees, but not all people are able to recall it the second time. It is very deep inside. Human mind is something that we do not know just yet. Perhaps we never will. But there are people who know quite some things about it. They are not going to tell people about it (not me <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">), but they know more than anyone, about the Mind.

(hmm... would be a great novel, "The Mind" <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> does anyone know, has someone written something like it?)

I will quote a text from a book.
"It contains a force that is at once more wonderful and more terrible than death, than human intelligence, than the forces of nature. It is also, perhaps, the most mysterious of the many subjects for study that reside there. It is the power held within that room that you possess in such quantities, and which he has not at all. That power took you to save her tonight. That power also saved you from possession by him, because he could not bear to reside in a body so full of the force he detests. In the end, it mattered not that you could not close your mind. it was your heart that saved you."
It was love.
Who guesses from where this quote came from, will be saluted <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">
it is a bit tied with the topic, though, since it tells us about closing mind and opening it. It is a fiction, but when we come to think about AS, it feels and seems even possible. Going to other peoples' minds and seeing what they think, and also closing the mind.

I believe that there is a level of mind, so powerful and awsome, where you are able to do whatever you wish. I believe, that this level can be yet achieved only by dieing, when your Astral Body (or Soul) exits the Physical Body and becomes non-corporeal. This is the level where you can roam around the world and see and hear what others do, communicate with others at the same level (which would, ofcourse, explain how some tribes can communicate with ancestors), but not the ones below. Perhaps you can get yourself a new body (remember: only a new Life can defeat Death) by going to a body of a yet-to-born child. To get a new Life.

I believe in this. I believe that it is possible. Sometimes I want to know what is it like to die... does it hurt? What happens after you die? Questions unanswered...



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Posted by Myrk- on Wed Jun 8th at 12:01pm 2005

Such a bulls**t website- the future is changeable yet I see it and you can express your own free will....... ... .


-[Better to be Honest than Kind]-



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Posted by Mephs on Wed Jun 8th at 12:15pm 2005

One book that I could thoroughly recommend is consciousness by Rita Carter.

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Your mind actually remembers everything that it sees, but not all people are able to recall it the second time. It is very deep inside.


Here's an excerpt from the book which clearly contradicts that, showing what a lying bastard the mind is:

"Glance up, momentarily, at you surroundings. What were you conscious of in that first split second? Not everything, certainly - you are limited, after all, by your field of vision. But within that field you probably thought you took in more or less the whole scene, albeit not in deail. If you are inside a building, for example you would probably report seeing the walls, the carpet, the door, a table, the window and the view beyond. Certainly you would say you were aware of the main objects, at least to the extent that if you looked up again you would notice if one of them dissappeared.

So try this. At the end of this paragraph, without looking up again, close your eyes and try to bring the scene around you to mind. Recall the table - what sort of legs does it have? What does it have on its surface - was there a cup? A magazine? If you are in your own home you may be able to visualize the table clearly, and you may know there is a magazine and a cup on it because you just put them there. But exactly where on the table is the cup? Which way does the handle point? What does the magazine cover look like? Do this for each element of the scene and note exactly what appears in your minds eye. Unless you are one of the few people with eidetic (photographic) memory, when you concentrate on these images you will find they become hazy. If you are in unfamiliar surroundings the image you conjure in your mind will be even hazier. In fact, the chances are that in that first glance you were fully conscious - that is, conscious enough to give a report - of no more than four or five objects or aspects of the scene. This seems to be the limit of our capacity at any one moment."

Its full of headtrip inducing stuff like that, and it gives you plenty of these types of experiments to prove them.





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Posted by Andrei on Wed Jun 8th at 3:52pm 2005

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It would be quite simple to test whether or not you actually see something happening in another room, simply by getting someone to do or say something random in that room and telling them exactly what they did.





Well it seems that you're not the first one to have thought of this; a group of scientists (american, I believe) made some experiments on two people who could easily "practice" astral projection. What the scientist did was that they wrote a 3 digit number on the top of a tall pillar-like-thing in the subject's bedroom. The next morning, both subjects knew what the number was despite the fact that none of them ever left their beds during the night(the room was under surveilance the whole time but the subjects didn't know that) and, even if they had, they would have found it impossible to get to the number. Guessing the number was also pretty improbable since how much of a chance do you have of guessing a number between 000 and 999?




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Posted by Cassius on Wed Jun 8th at 6:36pm 2005

I'm convinced that dreams are basically the mind's attempts to clean itself - purgings of all the content that it records that proves useless or too difficult to handle/correllate. For me, at least, dreams come most frequently after seriously intense experiences, and I think that's for a reason. What the concious mind can't forget, dreams at least mollify, making painful memories seem unreal. The rest of a dream's content seems to me like little replays of insignificant memories, small things we've noticed but don't need to worry about anymore.



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 8th at 6:40pm 2005

I hate to say this Cass, but I have had dreams far more fearsome than almost anything I have had in real life.

I have had dreams as a child where the beatings didn't stop. I would also like to point out that I had nothing within me that required mollifying..

Dreams can and often are, quite destructive and detrimental.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Andrei on Wed Jun 8th at 8:37pm 2005

In my opinion, the interpretation of dreams can reveal interesting aspects of one's subconscious and even memories from one's childhood (usually bad memories since trauma tends to last longer and sometimes affects the individual at maturity).

Speaking of which, has anyone dreamt of dying? I have. Weird sensation. If I recall, I was was killed after being stabbed in the stomache with a long pointy sword like thing, I once drowned and there was another time I dreamt getting shot, again, in the stomache. The sword thing is pretty gruesome not because of the idea of being stabbed in the guts but because "the sword" is a freudian (is this how they're called in english?) symbol for "penetration".





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