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Posted by Leperous on Tue Jun 14th at 9:57am 2005

If you don't know, Live 8 is a 'new' version of Live Aid which has the aim of making money for and raising awareness of poverty in Africa, and the only way to get tickets is to enter a text message 'lottery.' However, it seems some unscrupulous people are trying to sell Live 8 tickets on EBay, with most serious prices starting at ?300 for a pair (although it seems some people are "fighting back" and bumping prices up to several million pounds). Given the charitable nature of this event, and that few/none of these listings say they'll give the money to charity, is this right? What do you guys think about it?



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Posted by Forceflow on Tue Jun 14th at 11:55am 2005

Nah, they shouldn't.

Here in Belgium, we also have a huge Rock Festival coming up ("Rock Werchter" ... anybody ?) and people sell tickets on ebay and fora for like six times the price. Some people buy 10 tickets in advance at a normal price, and re-sell them for a lot of money.



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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 14th at 12:10pm 2005

/me avoids.. hunger/poverty is not just an Africa thing. :/



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Posted by fishy on Tue Jun 14th at 12:13pm 2005

the organisers should have stuck a couple of thousand tickets on ebay themselves.


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Posted by Leperous on Tue Jun 14th at 1:10pm 2005

? quoting Orpheus
/me avoids.. hunger/poverty is not just an Africa thing. :/

Of course it's not, but show me somewhere else where there is as much widespread, chronic malnutrition, with wars, diseases and corruption also thrown onto people. First world poverty doesn't even come close to how bad it can get in Africa and some parts of Asia.





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Posted by pepper on Tue Jun 14th at 2:19pm 2005

Nop, you shouldnt.

Wish i could go to rock werchter, couldnt go to pink pop either:(



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Posted by $loth on Tue Jun 14th at 2:32pm 2005

Only if the proceeds go to charity, but on ebay you can't be sure...




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Posted by Mephs on Tue Jun 14th at 6:54pm 2005

Wooyay! Ebay would appear to have been pwned, by the Bob-meister, and various crank bidders (?10,000,000 bids etc), shutting the sales down.

However, I'm not sure its THAT outrageous. The whole psuedo-raffle setup was fine, and I don't think the tickets should be sold on, but it does give people the chance to see the concert that weren't fortunate to 'win'



(semi-interesting point about phone/text-in 'competitions': the reason all tv-shows etc have patronising questions, is to get around gambling laws. By adding a qualifying question, it becomes a competition, and not a raffle, which would require TV shows to get a license etc.)




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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 14th at 7:54pm 2005

? quoting Leperous
? quoting Orpheus
/me avoids.. hunger/poverty is not just an Africa thing. :/

Of course it's not, but show me somewhere else where there is as much widespread, chronic malnutrition, with wars, diseases and corruption also thrown onto people. First world poverty doesn't even come close to how bad it can get in Africa and some parts of Asia.

You really don't wanna get me started on this topic. For people as smart as you all are supposed to be, I am positive that with a bit of research you could ascertain EXACTLY why there are the conditions that exist in Africa.

The African continent has every environment it takes to alleviate the situation if they wanted to badly enough. Its not as if we were discussing Iceland or someplace that couldn't do so.

Poverty is a condition thats created, it doesn't just show up one day like a disease..

anywho's.. I do not think it wise for me to say more.. Just think before you say more..





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Posted by Mephs on Tue Jun 14th at 8:49pm 2005

Actually, I like this direction. Too many people pussy out of the discussion, for fear of sounding like they hate poor people or are racist etc.

In my personal opinion its all down to education. For example, there would be no chance of Tony Blair pulling stunts like Robert Mugabe, he'd be lynched quite quickly if he ever tried directly screwing the people financially. But, in the case of Zimbabwe, its not a matter of they're poor because they're stupid.

If a government controls the media, its pretty difficult for any opposing message to be spread. These types of countries have a monopoly on the information fed to their people. Its like the concept in Orwell's 1984, that you can't rebel if revolution is removed from the language.

Some despots just take the money thrown at them and buy bloody limosines and aeroplanes for their ruler. You can't just GIVE money to countries like this, you need to spend it for them, which seems like an invasion, and rightly so.

Had the white Europeans not been such assholes to Africa, they would glady respect us, instead of seeing any attempts at intervention as the whites trying to screw them again.

If I was writing blank cheques to these nations the first thing I'd do is finance independant news networks. Despotism thrives on propaganda and control of a countries intellect.

I firmly believe that the greatest thing the United Kingdom (hate them as I do) ever created and maintained was its nasty, viscious media. Having such a vigilant watchdog is what keeps the ones in power from even thinking about it!




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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Jun 14th at 9:06pm 2005

You need a 4th "Depends" option... or sustain.


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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 14th at 9:20pm 2005

? quoting Myrk-
You need a 4th "Depends" option... or sustain.

More options would be nice.. It is even more black/white than I care to discuss.

[EDIT] Then again, if the topic had not strayed, the choices would have been enough..

tough call there. :/





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Posted by DrGlass on Wed Jun 15th at 1:53am 2005

I voted no, I dont think charity things should be re-sold on the honor system.

As for the 3rd worldness of Africa, remeber that while it my be the fault of Africa, most of the contries have been independent for only 50 years. They havn't had the same 500+ years to grow like our 1st world countries have. Look at the US, we started out with a very strong frame work, yet we were having a civil war almost 100 years later. It took us about 200 years to create equality for all citizens.

Now think about African countries, they have war lords, evil dictators, ethnic/religious diffrances, etc. how can we expect them to settle all of their troubles and get out of the pit they are in with out some outside help?

After what the imperial countries did to them, I think its only fair.




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Posted by Myrk- on Wed Jun 15th at 11:19pm 2005

Ebay have banned selling them now anyway, but I started thinking to myself...

I reckon its fine. Just 'cus your a charity doesn't mean everyones gunna cry and rub thier eyes and s**t. Live8 or whatever are being damn right stupid- they should give the option to buy the tickets for large sums of money, or at least personalise tickets to the people who win- much like a plane ticket. They have only themselves to blaim for having trust in humanity




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Posted by gimpinthesink on Wed Jun 15th at 11:33pm 2005

I heard on the radio that one bloke had sold his ticket for ?900 and there was a little part of a interview they had with him and he said "Well I was always taught that charity begins at home."


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Posted by ReNo on Wed Jun 15th at 11:36pm 2005

I read the ebay notices on the topic, and initially they said "we've decided to allow sales of the tickets since we firmly believe that anything owned by a person - whether bought or won in a contest - is that person's right to sell". After loads of uproar on forums and what have you, they changed their mind. Oh how firmly they stood by their belief <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by Leperous on Thu Jun 16th at 1:58pm 2005

Well, by that logic you should be able to sell half the things on their banned list <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif">





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Posted by Myrk- on Thu Jun 16th at 10:57pm 2005

Everyone contradicts themselves nowadays... Best if your a company to run anything your gunna say through a computer just to check :P


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Posted by Fjorn on Fri Jun 17th at 2:54am 2005

This kinda thing is called scalping and is illegal here

But someone always does it



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