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Posted by satchmo on Tue Jun 14th at 7:49pm 2005

I understand this is one of the most debated topics among PC builders and gamers, and I just want to see whether I can get a consensus, just among SnarkPit members.

I have an Athlon 3200+ XP on an ASUS A7N8X-E mobo. The ambiant case temp is around 25 Celsius, and the CPU idle temp is 47 Celsius. After playing HL2 for an hour, the CPU temp is 49 Celsius (as reported by SpeedFan).

Do I have anything to worry about? I noticed that some people's PC are running at much lower temperature. I did not overclock anything, and I don't want to shorten the lifespan of my processor. This machine is the first PC I built myself in the past ten years. I have a Antec heat sink with Arctic Silver thermal paste.




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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 14th at 7:56pm 2005

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how hot is to hot?

"When it quits."

For the record, the numbers you seek are easilly found via google.





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Posted by ReNo on Tue Jun 14th at 7:59pm 2005

Nope - 49 isn't an issue at all as far as I'd be concerned. The Athlon XP's in both my own PC and my family's PC idle around 50 and go up to about 58 under load, with system temps going from about 30-40. I'm aware that I'm running both at the upper end of what most overclockers deem reasonable working temps, so I could probably do with improving my cooling a bit, but I don't think you have anything to worry about. Athlon XP's have a max operating temp of around 90 or something, and while obviously running anywhere near that would shorten the life of your CPU, I doubt the upper 40's are anything to be concerned with.




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Posted by rs6 on Tue Jun 14th at 8:01pm 2005

Your CPU temps are the same as mine (I have 64 3200 as well). You really don't have to worry about heat unless your overclocking or your fan breaks.


Too hot is my video car (geforce 6800). It idles at 60 Celcius, and ive seen it up at 75 Celcius after playing CS:S, although I suspect it gets really high (maybe even teh core slowdown temperature which is 135 C) in game.



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Posted by satchmo on Tue Jun 14th at 8:07pm 2005

Thanks guys.

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the numbers you seek are easilly found via google

Of course I googled before posting, but there are many varied opinions. Many techies obsessed with temperature start to worry about their CPU when the temp is higher than 40 Celsius.

But now I know that they are just being paranoid.




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Posted by gimpinthesink on Tue Jun 14th at 9:06pm 2005

I have a Athlon 3200+ XP on a MSI KT6V and it usually averages between 40 C-55 C but before Imoved it into my room which is usually the coldest in the house it was usually about 2 or 3 degrees higher


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Posted by G4MER on Tue Jun 14th at 9:09pm 2005

I had an heat issue as well. I was ideling at 59 degrees cel. CPU and 40 degrees CEL case. I called AMD, and they said between 0-80 we are fine.

I got errors at 72 degrees CEL. and had it set to shut off at 70 degreees. The temp should be in the 45-50 range so your right in that target number. Your good.

A good temp program to have is Motherboard Monitor 5.. ( http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ )




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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Jun 14th at 9:14pm 2005

70 degrees C is where you have to come to terms with the fact that your own crippled attempt at installing your CPU has failed... If you ever experience above 60 then you need to re-paste that sucka with some good ol' "quick-silva" I believe its called, and get yourself a cpu sink with a copper or even gold contact.


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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 14th at 9:18pm 2005

? quoting satchmo
Thanks guys.

Of course I googled before posting, but there are many varied opinions. Many techies obsessed with temperature start to worry about their CPU when the temp is higher than 40 Celsius.

But now I know that they are just being paranoid.

Well first off, you need to determine "WHO" manufactured your CPU. Mine is a 939 pin 3500+.. A very good processor. But I found out that 2 companies manufacture the chip, one is a cheapy, and the other less so. As you may figure, the cheapy one is the hotter running of the two, and sadly that was the one I ended up with.

Secondly, I would say take the average opinion. Meaning, the most commonly mentioned temperature. I think 55c is about average upper end.. but I am not in the know so...

Anyways, I wasn't being an ass, but there are much more well informed sites than Snarkpit to get your specs analyzed from.





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Posted by satchmo on Tue Jun 14th at 9:24pm 2005

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a cpu sink with a copper or even gold contact

I believe the Antec heat sink I installed has copper contact. And the thermal paste--Arctic Silver--is a premium compound. I am happy that I stuck with quality parts when I purchased from newegg.




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Posted by G4MER on Tue Jun 14th at 9:28pm 2005

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70 degrees C is where you have to come to terms with the fact that your own crippled attempt at installing your CPU has failed... If you ever experience above 60 then you need to re-paste that sucka with some good ol' "quick-silva" I believe its called, and get yourself a cpu sink with a copper or even gold contact.


First off Bite me. You assume I dont know what I am doing. I happen to use Quick Silver and had more than enough on my cpu.. Second bite Me fan boy.. I happen to have one of the top of the line themal heatsinks and fans. I have been building top of the line gaming machines for over 5 years now, owned my own cyber gaming center.. So how about you take your smug attitude and shove it up your smugg ass... and then bite me.




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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Jun 14th at 9:35pm 2005

All this biting sounds perfectly arousing.. can i play too. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/heee.gif">



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Jun 14th at 10:19pm 2005

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First off Bite me. You assume I dont know what I am doing. I happen to use Quick Silver and had more than enough on my cpu.. Second bite Me fan boy.. I happen to have one of the top of the line themal heatsinks and fans. I have been building top of the line gaming machines for over 5 years now, owned my own cyber gaming center.. So how about you take your smug attitude and shove it up your smugg ass... and then bite me.


No offence, but I think its a fair assumption for him to make that if your CPU is running at over 70, you've got something wrong there. 99 times out of 100, temperatures like that will be down to poor installation - whether or not it was the reason for yours, theres nothing wrong with him suggesting it could be the cause.




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Posted by Myrk- on Wed Jun 15th at 12:32am 2005

I was in no way aiming that advice at you, it was mainly just an over enveloped comment :P But as Reno said, its poor installation or poor parts, and if its new, its more likely poor installation than parts, cus they wouldn't have got past testing.

But as I say- just because you have a top of the range guitar and amp, doesn't mean you can play like Van Halen.




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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 15th at 12:42am 2005

? quoting Myrk-

But as I say- just because you have a top of the range guitar and amp, doesn't mean you can play like Van Halen.

But it never hurts to point at that big nice Rickenbacker with pride now is it <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">





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Posted by Crono on Wed Jun 15th at 1:01am 2005

70?C and upwards is no mans land.

Around 50?C should be normal tempurature unless you're needlessly cooling the CPU. Although most people will try to tell you it should be at 25 (which by the way is only 3?C hotter then room tempurature <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif">)

But, you can set BIOS to power down your computer after the core reaches a certain temperature, 70 is a good target.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by rs6 on Wed Jun 15th at 1:16am 2005

I want to water cool my PC, then the over clocking can really start <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 15th at 1:28am 2005

? quoting rs6
I want to water cool my PC, then the over clocking can really start

Why not invest that cash into a more modern comp? I mean seriously, what gain will you get that you cannot get better with a bigger PC?

I have yet to reach my new PC's limits without overclocking it.. If I reach that point, it will be time to move on to the next model..

*shrugs*

still, when you do it, I want before and after reports.. I wanna see what you gained..





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Posted by wizard james on Wed Jun 15th at 1:39am 2005

sorry to ..kinda make people feel sad..bad.. i build computers for a living. ..soo i know lots

first off.. a rule for most cpus is anything under 60 and your in the clear (60 load.. use prime 95 to find load tho the torture test)

i am runing at 53 load, and i have a 2600+ mobile amd at 2.3 ghz (overclocked)

for the thermalpaste, look for artic silver 3 or artic silver 5 ..both the best you can get.

my friend has water cooling, and another has a phace chage cooling.. -20s easy.. sick eh? check out cryo-laboratory.com my site.. got a few pics of some cold stuff on there..lol




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Posted by rs6 on Wed Jun 15th at 1:51am 2005

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? quoting rs6I want to water cool my PC, then the over clocking can really start image
Why not invest that cash into a more modern comp? I mean seriously, what gain will you get that you cannot get better with a bigger PC?
I have yet to reach my new PC's limits without overclocking it.. If I reach that point, it will be time to move on to the next model..
*shrugs*
still, when you do it, I want before and after reports.. I wanna see what you gained..


I alreadly have a high end PC.

64 3200
geforce 6800
1gb RAM

but there is always something to gain by adding more speed.




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