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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 15th at 2:01am 2005

? quoting rs6



I alreadly have a high end PC.

64 3200
geforce 6800
1gb RAM

but there is always something to gain by adding more speed.

The human eye cannot discern the advance you may gain with overclocking that system..

conversely, there is no game currently that can exceed the demands of that hardware so how will you determine any advancements?

in other words, if the game is set to maximum, and you have no troubles, how will you know you are still having no troubles except.. that you are continuing to not have any?





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Posted by French Toast on Wed Jun 15th at 2:10am 2005

I'm getting an uber-fan with like liquid cooling and just crazy stuff like that. Then I can overclock and go nuts.




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Posted by Jinx on Wed Jun 15th at 3:22am 2005

Both my old Athlon XP 2700+ and my new P4 550 3.47ghz run at about 54C idle, slightly higher under load. About the same temp on my 6800GT. That is with 2 front 80mm fans, 2 rear 80mm fans, and stock cooling. Those temps come down about 2 degrees if I crank the fans to max, though that's not usually worth the noise unless I'm putting them under heavy load.

I pretty much agree with everyone else- you want it under 60, 70+ and there's a problem. Getting cooler is nice, and will lengthen the life of your components, though if you get a new pc every 3-4 years it's probably irrelevant. The other benefit of water cooling is a reduction in -noise-, of course, which is many people's motivation for doing it rather than improved cooling or overclocking.

People often spend more effort and cash overclocking than it would cost to simply upgrade the damn pc. It's mostly bragging rights I guess. Although when some kid came in and bragged that he fried his 'xtremely' overclocked cpu because he "got drunk and forgot to put fresh ice cubes in the water cooling unit", I just thought he was a moron.



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Posted by $loth on Wed Jun 15th at 6:40am 2005

I think over 60 is too hot, but if it's over 55 then start looking into some new cooling methods ( or ask here!) and make sure that inside your case is dust free, especially your cpu cooler, the fin in this can capture lots of dust.




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Posted by ReNo on Wed Jun 15th at 1:25pm 2005

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Although when some kid came in and bragged that he fried his 'xtremely' overclocked cpu because he "got drunk and forgot to put fresh ice cubes in the water cooling unit", I just thought he was a moron.


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Posted by Jinx on Wed Jun 15th at 1:43pm 2005

heh yeah we get some weird stuff at MicroCenter.

Had some guy in last week having problems with his pc's video card overheating and shutting down. Turns out Dell had only put a 170watt power supply in the P4 3.0ghz he bought. Since buying it he had added two hard drives and a 6800GT. Gee, wonder if that could have been a power supply issue?!

I f**king despise Dell.



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 15th at 1:48pm 2005

Adding a 6800 to a Dell is akin to adding a blower on a Volkswagen..

I cannot imagine someone buying a high end card and placing it in a substandard machine..

I have a broken Dell here someone gave to me. It hasn't even got an AGP slot.. It was less than a year old when I got it, and I have only had it a couple months.. I didn't realize they still released machines/motherboards without an AGP slot.





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Posted by Crono on Wed Jun 15th at 2:10pm 2005

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Adding a 6800 to a Dell is akin to adding a blower on a Volkswagen..
I cannot imagine someone buying a high end card and placing it in a substandard machine..
I have a broken Dell here someone gave to me. It hasn't even got an AGP slot.. It was less than a year old when I got it, and I have only had it a couple months.. I didn't realize they still released machines/motherboards without an AGP slot. image


They started adding them in about 2002 or so (not saying all of them after 2002 have AGP). They usually stick to on-board video and really don't want people to go around them and upgrade on their own (they wouldn't make insane amounts of money that way).
Since Dell doesn't support outside upgrading, obviously, they only put in the power THEY need. I think opening the case actually voids the warrenty, if I remember correctly.

However, It's very easy to upgrade a Dell, Gateway, Compaq, whatever. It also makes sense, since if you already made the mistake of buying one you don't really want to spend another amount to buy a completly new computer.

Anyway, dell only puts the parts together and slaps their drive image on. They don't manufacturer the parts. However, they usually choose Intel boards with as much built in as possible. (even processors sometimes, but that would be too costly if something broke. You'd have to replace the entire board and not just that part)

But, to be perfectly honest, Dell's are the nicest-working of the suck-whore-industry. Gateways and Compaqs/HP, oh my God, disgusting. I swear they engineer new ways to cut your self on the case. Oh and they're big fans of the expansion card setup. THOSE are completly un-upgradable computers.

I don't count AlienWare because those are too expensive to be computers. They are labor-whores if I ever saw any.


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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 15th at 2:22pm 2005

? quoting Crono


I swear they engineer new ways to cut your self on the case.
.

I'd laugh except there is way to much truth to the statement.. I wonder if anyone has done a study on how many cuts are occurring while upgrading, and how many machines are ruined because blood short circuited the machines. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">

Some of these broken machines I have been given.. I look at them suspiciously to see if there is any blood on them from other people.. All i need is some new kind of AIDS transferal no one has heard of before.. I'd never convince anyone that I was faithful, I dunno how I got it.





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Posted by Jinx on Wed Jun 15th at 2:46pm 2005

A 170watt... even 250... is not sufficient for a P4 3.0ghz to start with, nevermind adding new stuff.

what you run into is that Dell, HP, Compaq etc. sometimes use proprietary parts as well. Examples:

Some Dells were made with modified ATX power connectors. You could replace the power supply.. ie the connector would fit.. but since they changed the pinout you would blow the motherboard.

The exhaust fans on some Dells have a proprietary mobo connection that is monitored by the mobo. If it doesn't detect the fan and enough rpm, it shuts down. Thus if the fan goes, you have to go to Dell to replace it. Or get good at splicing cables I suppose.

Some HP's use small form factor ATX power supplies. They are ATX in frontal shape, yes, but not as 'deep'- ie if you try to replace them, you will find that a regular ATX psu doesn't have enough room between itself and the cd drives in their teeny cases. Good luck replacing the floppy drives in those cases, too...

Anyway, this is why you build your own.

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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 15th at 3:00pm 2005

? quoting Jinx

Orpheus, you aren't going to get AIDS from dried blood left on an old pc case *rolls eyes* Besides, we all know you'd get it from your needle-sharing!

YOU PROMISED!!!

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Posted by satchmo on Wed Jun 15th at 4:13pm 2005

We should stop give Dell such a hard time. They never intend to sell their PC to us gamers in the first place. Dell machines are meant for people who have no idea what a "BIOS" is, or even what OS they're running.

Dells are perfect for grannies or technophobes who just want to buy a computer, plug it into the wall socket, and have everything working. They use it primarily to check emails and play Solitaire.

Now, I don't think anyone needs an uber AGP card to play Solitaire.




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Posted by gimpinthesink on Wed Jun 15th at 4:30pm 2005

Although Dells Dimention XPS is supposed to be a decent one from what I can remember from the PC Format article it compared well to one of the Alienware ones carnt remember which though and I dont know where that mag is.


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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 15th at 4:33pm 2005

? quoting satchmo
We should stop give Dell such a hard time. They never intend to sell their PC to us gamers in the first place. Dell machines are meant for people who have no idea what a "BIOS" is, or even what OS they're running.

Dells are perfect for grannies or technophobes who just want to buy a computer, plug it into the wall socket, and have everything working. They use it primarily to check emails and play Solitaire.

Now, I don't think anyone needs an uber AGP card to play Solitaire.

If it wasn't for the fact that Dell does nothing to prevent gamers from buying the machines I would have agreed with you.

Warning messages were created for a purpose, tis time they be applied to computers perhaps.

I am betting right this minute that a large percentage of our member list has premanufactured computers and wish they didn't..

Should we poll it?

Just how long did it take you to build this last PC Satch before you saw the light? and.. what was it that swayed you to do so?





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Posted by $loth on Wed Jun 15th at 6:42pm 2005

? quote:I have a broken Dell here someone gave to me. It hasn't even got
an AGP slot.. It was less than a year old when I got it, and I have
only had it a couple months.. I didn't realize they still released
machines/motherboards without an AGP slot. image



I've got a 3 year old pc from the same place owned by tiny/time, cnr, 3
PCI yet no agp on the tiny motherboard! It may be 3 and a half years
old but still, the PC I bought for ?50 had a 1/2 speed agp slot!





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Some Dells were made with modified ATX power connectors. You
could replace the power supply.. ie the connector would fit.. but since
they changed the pinout you would blow the motherboard.




iirc dell's PSU's have modified screw holes, so basically, you can't
change the PSU or the case seperatly, you would have to change it
together.


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Now, I don't think anyone needs an uber AGP card to play Solitaire.


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Posted by satchmo on Wed Jun 15th at 6:51pm 2005

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Just how long did it take you to build this last PC Satch before you saw the light?

I've never played high-end PC games until recently, so there was never a need to have a high-octane machine. A Celeron with 256 MB of RAM and on-board s**tty Intel video were sufficient to run Excel and Word.

Old games (like Doom and Quake) never required much of a hardware to play, and that's what I used to do on my spare time. Medical school and residency took seven years of my life, and I did nothing but study and work during that time (that's how I missed out Half-Life completely).




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Posted by Crono on Wed Jun 15th at 9:51pm 2005

HP has a habit to format their HDDs for non-upgradability. Basically, you will have a very hard time getting any OS to install if they're wiped. This isn't widley speaking, but I've run into it, you can't slave them either.

It's very douchebagish of them or economically smart, I don't know which, they're pretty similar concepts.


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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jun 15th at 10:11pm 2005

? quoting Crono

It's very douchebagish of them .

Oh how I love it when you talk dirty.. Do it again. :dodgy:





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Posted by $loth on Thu Jun 16th at 8:01am 2005

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? quoting Crono
It's very douchebagish of them .

Oh how I love it when you talk dirty.. Do it again.



Orph, you are worrying me again......




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Posted by smidsy on Thu Jun 16th at 10:19am 2005

mine keeps at 30-40 at most times only whein i run like 3 demanding games at once mine heats up eg hl2,hammer and wow. sayin that i got a crap load of fans and a pretty good coolant system in my comp (cost alot tho)...





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