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Posted by G4MER on Thu Jun 23rd at 4:38am 2005

Post like that make me grateful to be an American.. Man I didn't know it was so rough there.

And why do you keep reffering to bats or pipes as a White weapon, sounds bit raciest.




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Posted by Agent Smith on Thu Jun 23rd at 6:31am 2005

Exactly the same here in Australia, its like the legal system gets to a certain high point, then starts moving backwards.

There was a case here where a home invasion happened, 3 guys burst in on a father and son in their home. The father used a post with a nail in it to defend themselves, managed to beat the attackers off. Not only did he face possible charges, but the attackers tried to sue the guy for damages and some other rubbish. What the f**k kind of legal system is that, where the criminals get let off and the innocent are punished for defending their rights.



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Posted by wil5on on Thu Jun 23rd at 9:53am 2005

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I hate the law for doing this, not only to them, but to me. I feel like an ass because I refuse to allow people in my home to use the phone, and some are a long way from home so a ride is out of the question.

The law, has made me the bad person.

Just remember, they were in jail for a reason. Consider this part of their punishment.




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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jun 23rd at 10:20am 2005

? quoting wil5on

Just remember, they were in jail for a reason. Consider this part of their punishment.

But, where does that leave me? Some people will think about retaliatory actions based on my not complying.. I know this to be fact cause on at least one occasion we had a break-in and the person turned out to be one who used my phone.. Casing the joint so to speak.

I do not have anything of true value except my family members.. I drive a lot and do not feel comfortable knowing someone may get upset and possibly be an ass while I am on the road.

The jail should have a phone available at the very least.





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Posted by smidsy on Thu Jun 23rd at 10:45am 2005

thurther this brings me to the point of stay away from Northern Ireland if u plan to live here. 1 question does neone elses news reports everyday not include.. murder,attempted murder, bomb threat, court case ,distrubance,riot,breakin,fire, shooting,drugs raid, terrorist activity,body found phadeophile,or gangland shooting thats all we ever get never an and finally piece

people over here are defensless as i am in the armed forces im given the option to have a gun in my house for protection its standard procedure because of the troubles. i however cannot shoot to kill i can only shoot if the person is armed with a gun or has fired a gun at me... alot of police men and soldiers like me have to check their cars still for car bombs .. im thinkin of movin...




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Posted by $loth on Thu Jun 23rd at 11:39am 2005

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My impression of the law in the UK is this: you're basically not allowed to defend yourself, and you have to leave everything to the police, who never do anything.


It's true, in America you are allowed to force people from your property yes? In the UK you can only pull out a bat if they have a weapon, if they don't they can basically roam free until the police get there.

@Agent Smith That happened here, a farmer got robbed and pulled out a shotgun, killed one of them and the other got shot in the leg, the guy who survived tried to sued the farmer iirc.






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Posted by Spartan on Thu Jun 23rd at 1:38pm 2005

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thurther this brings me to the point of stay away from Northern Ireland if u plan to live here. 1 question does neone elses news reports everyday not include.. murder,attempted murder, bomb threat, court case ,distrubance,riot,breakin,fire, shooting,drugs raid, terrorist activity,body found phadeophile,or gangland shooting thats all we ever get never an and finally piece

people over here are defensless as i am in the armed forces im given the option to have a gun in my house for protection its standard procedure because of the troubles. i however cannot shoot to kill i can only shoot if the person is armed with a gun or has fired a gun at me... alot of police men and soldiers like me have to check their cars still for car bombs .. im thinkin of movin...


Holy crap I didn't know it was that bad in Ireland. I knew they had a lot of troubles over there but nothing that bad and that numerous. Geez that makes places like Harlem and Liberty City here in the U.S. sound like Mr. Roger's neighborhood.




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Posted by Andrei on Thu Jun 23rd at 2:17pm 2005

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i however cannot shoot to kill i can only shoot if the person is armed with a gun or has fired a gun at me


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Posted by G4MER on Thu Jun 23rd at 3:38pm 2005

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@Agent Smith That happened here, a farmer got robbed and pulled out a shotgun, killed one of them and the other got shot in the leg, the guy who survived tried to sued the farmer iirc.


In that case, if I were the farmer, I would make sure they were both dead, and plant them in the north forty. Plow them in deep, and act as if I was never robbed or attacked. =)




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Posted by habboi on Thu Jun 23rd at 3:38pm 2005

I too feel sorry for you, that is one of the most horrible things to happen to a person and if it happened to me then I would be the one who went mental.
The law is unfair these days and it is the simple case of what the police see first e.g.

Your defending yourself and as you hit the man a police officer arrives and arrests you, the man blames you in court and your sentenced for 'defending' yourself!

If some major man in charge is reading this then! YOUR CRAPPY LAW RULES ARE RUBBISH!

Mephs: I think all you can do really is wait...I can't believe she is in'your' backyard which is 'your' property!
That is called trespassing and she can be arrested for it...

I myself live near one of those homes for mental / naughty children and I do fear it everytime I walk past. It is a horrible feeling being bullied / threatened and all you can do is call the police over and over until they realise something wrong is going on...Plus it will annoy them a tiny bit.

Just wait, be alert, if she is holding a weapon and approaches you, touches you then run indoors, take a picture if you can for evidence and call the police. Goodluck!





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Posted by $loth on Thu Jun 23rd at 5:40pm 2005

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Mephs: I think all you can do really is wait...I can't believe she is in'your' backyard which is 'your' property!

That is called trespassing and she can be arrested for it...



She cannot be arrested for it, only asked to be moved, a police officer can only arrest her if she does not. You cannot touch her unless she tries to attack you or has a weapon.




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Posted by fishy on Thu Jun 23rd at 8:54pm 2005

if someone walks up to you in the street and punches you in the face then runs away, it's illegal to run after him to 'defend' yourself. it's an extreme but clear example of the line that the law draws. if someone is no longer a threat to you, or you've restrained them to a point where you are safe, then you must desist from any further force. a bit of a bummer really. you'd have a good chance of getting away with bending someones head out of shape if they're still on their feet and attacking you though, which can be done with almost any heavy blunt object that you have a reasonable excuse to be carrying.

mephs in court -->"there was a crazy knifewoman attacking me, and in the heat of the moment i didn't realise the damage 6 tins of beans would do with a full bloodied swing M'Lud. if i had realised, i think, if i'd had time, i'd have stopped to take a few tins out of the bag. i'm really sorry "

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Posted by G4MER on Fri Jun 24th at 5:56am 2005

Oh how I could twist your laws..

IT WAS A RUN BY FRUITING.. - Mrs. DoubtFire.

Anyways, what you do is.. get a knife, cut yourself.. and call the police. Say she attacked you, and ran off. Or cut yourself, tackle her, and hold her till the police get there.. and say the crazy loon attacked me and cut me, saying she was going to eat my balls.. the bloody loon, and have her carted off.




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Posted by fraggard on Fri Jun 24th at 6:05am 2005

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Oh how I could twist your laws..

IT WAS A RUN BY FRUITING.. - Mrs. DoubtFire.

Anyways, what you do is.. get a knife, cut yourself.. and call the police. Say she attacked you, and ran off. Or cut yourself, tackle her, and hold her till the police get there.. and say the crazy loon attacked me and cut me, saying she was going to eat my balls.. the bloody loon, and have her carted off.


I see a pattern here...




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Posted by Loco on Fri Jun 24th at 10:11am 2005

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mephs in court -->"there was a crazy knifewoman attacking me, and in the heat of the moment i didn't realise the damage 6 tins of beans would do with a full bloodied swing M'Lud. if i had realised, i think, if i'd had time, i'd have stopped to take a few tins out of the bag. i'm really sorry "

Any resident "legal eagles" please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think that if you murder somebody in the heat of the moment it can count as manslaughter. However, there must be absolutely no time to think about it i.e. you can't go over to the kitchen to get a knife - then you'd have had time to think about it and it would be murder. I'm not sure how this would affect assault, battery, GBH and ABH though...

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Posted by Mephs on Fri Jun 24th at 5:37pm 2005

Thanks for the support, chaps. Oh, and its a communal yard, so it belongs to everyone in the flats, THAT was the grey area.

Thursday she was smashing in the door shouting everything from "junkies" to "child molesters", and everything from burning us out to shooting us (the latter a dubious threat, the former less so, considering her previous record for amassing solvents and fuel in her hoorhouse). We called the police, she stopped and ran back into her house. We finally caught on that her boyfriend was keeping watch for the police and signalling when they were coming. However I told them to come around the front the next time, and while my mother was giving a statement they heard her for themselves. Then she saw my Da at the window and went ballistic again at the door. Caught Red Handed, the hoor.

She was arrested and only held for 2 hours and was out on bail. She continued to batter at the door as soon as she was released, but this time, smashing it and running quickly back in each time.

Mysteriously she actually gave up her tenancy of her own free will and has been put into another town.

Also the fact that the cops were witness means that I shouldnt have to go to court.

The metal shutters were put up a few hours ago, and now all I have to worry about is follow up attacks from her family (I have no idea who or what kind of people they are) and of course every spide and wino in the town shes been f**king for booze and glue etc. irate at not getting their hole. It pains me that I cannot carry a weapon, but I respect that law, though it leaves me at a serious disadvantage. However, since they no longer have a drinking/glue sniffing den in my back yard, they won't be in groups when I see them down the town, and none of those people would risk a 'square go' without their myriad of knives, bats and several mates to back them up.

I doubt that this is the end of it, and the whole week (seems like a lifetime) has changed my personality completely. I'll always be watching my back, and always looking for the nearest heavy object in the streets if I catch a sniff of anyone. So, in that respect, the hoor won.

However, I deserve a f**king medal for putting up with this s**te and going through police and housing executives etc. If we weren't facing [the police station] this could have been informally resolved on Sunday night.

But, she won't do any serious time for this s**t, and again shes been put into another area to make other people's lives hell.

Other than that, its actually a happy ending in that I played by the book, kept my own nose clean and some kind of justice prevailed.




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Posted by Loco on Fri Jun 24th at 6:07pm 2005

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She was arrested and only held for 2 hours and was out on bail. She continued to batter at the door as soon as she was released, but this time, smashing it and running quickly back in each time.

I know absolutely nothing about bail terms, but I swear that's some sort of breach of bail. In fact damnit it has to be. Get the cops and she could be in bbbbiiiigggg trouble for that. In fact, if she keeps running away and you have a camera, wait for her and video it next time ==> evidence.

[EDIT]Just checked: it depends what the conditions of the bail are, normally including forbidding contact with a prosecution witness - which is probably you. Also, it would count as an offence while on bail (harassment) ==> really really bad.



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Posted by Spartan on Fri Jun 24th at 7:06pm 2005

I'm glad I live in America. If someone comes onto my property and threatens me I have the legal right to shoot them.




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Posted by Mephs on Fri Jun 24th at 7:39pm 2005

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I'm glad I live in America. If someone comes onto my property and threatens me I have the legal right to shoot them.

Yes, in the heat of the moment I would gladly have taken up that right, if I lived in America, but doing so would destroy me. I really do pity these kinds of people. I've absolutely no right ending someones life, even if it is one of suicide by installments, like severe winos and this kind of craic. You can't unshoot someone. This hoor is 29/30 (but prematurely aged through her lifestyle) and she might have another year or another 30 or 40 years ahead of her to either turn it all around or kill herself. I don't believe in playing god.

There's a serious want in these kind of people, and she must have had a lot of serious s**t in her own head to contend with to turn her into someone that f**ks for alcohol and spends her entire life out of it. I'm maybe more philosophical now shes out, but there are (less aggressive) similar cases in my own family, and I know the kind of stuff thats going on. I can't help her, but she's not beyond help, theres no such thing as a totally evil person, so you can't put people down like rabid animals, no matter how bad they might be.

Take her to court, yes. Kick the clean f**k out of her if she came near my door, yes. But I wouldn't just execute like that. I'm still a nervous wreck, but I wouldn't hurt her, her boyfriend (who, on his own is a nice quiet guy, constantly being beaten up by her for holding her back from this kind of craic) or anyone else who of late has taken issue with me. But cross the threshold of my door and I'm within my right to use my reasonable force.

Anyhoo, the local cops are glad of passing her out of their juristiction, they saw that she was causing serious mental harm to my mother and actually one officer stayed 3 hours past his shift to organise her removal. It doesn't make me think any less of the Irish struggle and occupation of the british, but I can see police on a personal level now, so while it hardened me, at the same time its made me a little less indiscriminate in my hated (not that I ever was, tbh, I was brought up with moral and political opinions rather than anti-protestant or anti-english feelings).



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Posted by Andrei on Fri Jun 24th at 7:49pm 2005

Ok, if shooting her is out of the question and beating her brains out with a lead pipe is not your style, then how about making a peace offering (even if under the form of booze? :P )? But if she's outta your hair...





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