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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Jun 25th at 11:20pm 2005

Yeah, I've been fragging it offline and have come to the conclusion that its not quite as bad as i thought originally.. It still doesn't rank with HLDM, but its not a total loser.. I still do not see the popularity however. :/

Anywho's, I have determined that the bots.... cheat.

1st off, after you die, you have the option of watching through their other players perspective so you can get a feel for how they frag.

2ndly, some bots are so stupid that they bounce against the walls, literally the whole match.

3rdly.. these same stupid bots while dumb enough to bounce, will turn around,zero in and brain shoot you with one pull of the trigger.. BULLs**t!!!

I, after I get to know the game, plan on playing online again to see how it plays with real players.. Stupid bots are getting on my nerves.

Before you forget, lemme just say "HLDM RULZ"





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Posted by Spartan on Sat Jun 25th at 11:28pm 2005

Bots are pretty much like that on everygame. They suck worse than just about every noob but they always get headshots. (wierd contradiction)




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Posted by French Toast on Sat Jun 25th at 11:37pm 2005

Yeah, all bots are like that, but it doesn't make CS a bad game. CS is amazing and I love it. I don't play DM or CS much anymore, I've traded them in for Plan of Attack and Battlefield 2.




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Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Jun 26th at 12:26am 2005

I've never found it to be that different from online play, I still get headshotted long range by some punk with a pistol, it never seems to matter. Of course flashbangs actually work on 'some' of the people online. Nothing funnier than flashing a player then shooting them while they are crouched in a corner hoping no one will notice them .

Oh, that reminds me, I dont know if there are any servers in the US, but keep an eye out for CSS Zombie Horde. I play it a fair bit here in Oz, its great fun and breaks the monotony of regular CS with enemies that dont shoot back! Terrorists all have the HL2 zombie model and only have knives, they outnumber the CT's by 2:1, and the CT's have a limited range of weapons to chose from. Shooting the T's in the head is the only way to kill them, and they 400 health to make it interesting. Great fun <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">.



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Posted by ZombieLoffe on Sun Jun 26th at 12:28am 2005

I was quite disappointed at CS:S when I first played it and still dislike it. CS1.6 is alot better.
Can't say why, it's just... more fun. CS:S is all graphics, no gameplay.




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Posted by Myrk- on Sun Jun 26th at 12:38am 2005

ITS THE SAME GOD DAMN GAME!


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Posted by Myrk- on Sun Jun 26th at 12:40am 2005

HL1DM rules Orph, make sure you don't slip in a 2 accidently...


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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jun 26th at 12:41am 2005

? quoting Myrk-
HL1DM rules .




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Posted by ReNo on Sun Jun 26th at 1:11am 2005

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ITS THE SAME GOD DAMN GAME!


Says the man who thinks there is a huge difference between UT2003 and UT2004 :P




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Posted by wil5on on Sun Jun 26th at 1:26am 2005

From what I've seen, the CS:S bots are quite good. Better than any other bots I've seen for HL mods. I imagine theyd be the most difficult part of the mod to code, even with the simplistic behaviour they show now.


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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jun 26th at 1:33am 2005

? quoting wil5on
From what I've seen, the CS:S bots are quite good. Better than any other bots I've seen for HL mods. I imagine theyd be the most difficult part of the mod to code, even with the simplistic behaviour they show now.

Don't get me wrong, some of them are awe inspiring. What gets my ass is the head shot from literally across the map from an AK-47 or some other similarly impossible weapon. We (my son and I ) were playing a map impossibly large.. It was generally a snipers only map, but I played it for its hugeness.. Most of the Bots were dumb enough to play "Ala commando knife" <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif"> but some were lethal with the rifles.. but a few kept choosing the impossible weapons and still making head shots from a mile off. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">

Anywho's.. I think I will keep hammering at it.. I am not even good enough to remember to buy armour each round. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">





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Posted by ReNo on Sun Jun 26th at 1:47am 2005

It may also be partially down to inexperience on your part. Don't get me wrong, bots do often pull of somewhat impossible shots, and the way you would go about programming them (or how I would imagine you'd go about programming them) does include what might be considered "cheating". That said, as a human player, if you learn how the weapons react and recoil its possible to handle many of them very effectively over significant range, far longer than than you might assume based on the type of weapon. The AK for example can be used very well from miles away if you just fire in one or two bullet bursts with the right amount of rest time between. I don't imagine that the bots are coded in a way that makes their weapons more accurate than that of human players, so if you point it in the same way as a bot does, and fire it in the same way, chances are you'll be pulling off those distant head shots too. I could be wrong of course...wouldn't be the first time <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">




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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jun 26th at 2:36am 2005

Perhaps its my being in the military thats the issue. I have not killed anyone, but I did spend many hours on the ranges. I know the effective range of most modern weapons up to 1985.. Thats the year I got out.

I know that for instance, the 7.62 is about worthless for accuracy over 1,100 meters.. air drag and its own weight will cause significant error in targeting.. the 5.56 will only really hit whats its aimed at at about 400.

anywho's, perhaps I am wanting realism and should accept its a game. *shrugs*





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Posted by G.Ballblue on Sun Jun 26th at 3:15am 2005

? quoting Orpheus
? quoting wil5on
From what I've seen, the CS:S bots are quite good. Better than any other bots I've seen for HL mods. I imagine theyd be the most difficult part of the mod to code, even with the simplistic behaviour they show now.

Don't get me wrong, some of them are awe inspiring. What gets my ass is the head shot from literally across the map from an AK-47 or some other similarly impossible weapon. We (my son and I ) were playing a map impossibly large.. It was generally a snipers only map, but I played it for its hugeness.. Most of the Bots were dumb enough to play "Ala commando knife" but some were lethal with the rifles.. but a few kept choosing the impossible weapons and still making head shots from a mile off.

Anywho's.. I think I will keep hammering at it.. I am not even good enough to remember to buy armour each round.

I'm kind of big CS player myself, so try not to worry to much when people score "amazing shots" with aks from far range -- I'm sure you've played CS online, no doubt, but I have seen players do some pretty amazing shots with aks -- the key behind the weapon is simply to kill with one shot, since the gun holds nothing that even resembles accuracy after the first two bullets.

Try charging any player, or bot, with mp5 and you should be dropping them like flies.

The ak is actually one of the more effect spraying weapons, if you can predict the recoil. It's a bit like the colt, with the exception of how the bullets fly about 4x as high on full auto, and probably fly off more to the sides. To compinsate, simply aim very far down, and your shots should top off at somewhere that is at head hieght. If you shoot an ak on burst, you will need to move your crosshair down as you shoot, in order to compensate for that after-recoil effect that all cs weapons have. As soon as the recoil stops, level out with where you want the shots to start, and begin to "burst down" again.




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Posted by Gwil on Sun Jun 26th at 4:42am 2005

Stop being a fool and improve your skills by using only the Desert Eagle! Headshots at long range galore. Coupled with an AK it's easily the best set up in the game.



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Posted by G.Ballblue on Sun Jun 26th at 6:23am 2005

? quoting Gwil
Stop being a fool and improve your skills by using only the Desert Eagle! Headshots at long range galore. Coupled with an AK it's easily the best set up in the game.

Pump/usp all the way!!!




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Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Jun 26th at 10:18am 2005

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Pump/usp all the way!!!



I concur, add in a couple of flashbangs and you've got yourself a one many killing machine.

I usually mix it up between pump and m4a1.



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Posted by Myrk- on Sun Jun 26th at 10:20am 2005

? quoting ReNo

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ITS THE SAME GOD DAMN GAME!



Says the man who thinks there is a huge difference between UT2003 and UT2004

They changed bot difficulty, they were fine before and they upped it so now I have to put it down a level, but then its too easy! They also changed some of the more minor stuff which just led me to not like it as much. :P




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Posted by habboi on Sun Jun 26th at 10:27am 2005

I miss the old hostages when you could press e on them and they said i'm sorry and walked back to their room.

What ever happened to VIP <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">
I used to love being VIP and pissing people off by jumping off a cliff every round <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

Orph you will get used to it, I know some people who are still trying to get the hang on it.





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Posted by ReNo on Sun Jun 26th at 11:43am 2005

And you wonder why they took out the VIP game mode? <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif">




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