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Posted by satchmo on Mon Jun 27th at 3:43pm 2005

I was working this weekend in the hospital, and one of my patients spent the entire day fragging with his twelve-year-old brother. He's only six.

Of course, he got pwnd most of the times, but he's able to hold his own occassionally. I was actually quite impressed by his deathmatch skills. They were playing Golden-Eye multiplayer on a console.

Do you think someone this young should be playing deathmatch games? Personally, I have no problem with that. In fact, I almost joined them for a round, but I just thought it might not be too professional of me to be fragging with patients while on duty. So I politely declined the offer.




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Posted by Hugh on Mon Jun 27th at 4:00pm 2005

I don't think there's any problem with that unless that's all they do. My parents were giving me some weird looks when I was playing Doom at 7, but they never said I should stop playing those evil, violent videogames.


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Posted by habboi on Mon Jun 27th at 4:11pm 2005

Heh remember the murder due to GTA <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

Blame parents and I think it is fine provided they are sensible and don't get stressed easily at the thought of losing :/





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Posted by Quaver on Mon Jun 27th at 4:37pm 2005

I would have said it was fine before reading this article. Its about a boy who dies from a stroke after playing video games for 12 hours.




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Posted by satchmo on Mon Jun 27th at 4:51pm 2005

That article you posted has no credibility whatsoever. In fact, any doctor who uses the phrase "totally destroyed" is a complete idiot in my opinion.

What "pathology" were they referring to? What is the pathogenesis of the outcome? How can it trigger a stroke? It makes no medical sense.

Video games can indeed modify neurons and synapses in the brain, but only for the better. It enhances reflexes and encourages the development of spatial comprehension. In fact, mapping could be one of the best tools for learning geometry, physics, art, and computer science.

I hope you weren't being serious when you posted that link, Quaver.




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Posted by Andrei on Mon Jun 27th at 5:12pm 2005

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Video games can indeed modify neurons and synapses in the brain, but only for the better.



Computer games create addiction, especially to impressionable youngsters. It is the case of a run-away boy who was found half-dead in an I-cafe after having played (guess what) counter-strike for about 50 hours non-stop. Other than that, addicted kids end up with sleep disorder, nausea, bad eyesight and, as a long-term effect, social behaviour disorders.




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Posted by smidsy on Mon Jun 27th at 5:26pm 2005

well i first got started when i was introduced to time crisis on the ps...i was 14-15..after that it was medal of honour and i was hooked. As for kids playin cs i think its halarious when ur able to frag them n they get enoued i think this is where the i pwned joo status comes into kids they play vs their friends and think there v good. I just pity squirts like that..as for console games i have no problem with that. In games like css u have to accept that there will always be someone better than u and partially thats what is what makes the game challenging...




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Posted by Quaver on Mon Jun 27th at 5:40pm 2005

Well im not the best at health etc so i tend to believe what i read in things like this, but what you said make sence so me goes back to playing games.

Whats the longest anyone heres played a game, mine was proberly about 12 hours when i got hl2. Ii usually only spend an hour at a time, then watch tv :P.




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Posted by G.Ballblue on Mon Jun 27th at 5:44pm 2005

I don't really have any problems with a 6 year old playing a deathmatch game, or a violent game for the matter. Heh, I was playing watching my mom play Doom when I was 3 <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by ReNo on Mon Jun 27th at 6:11pm 2005

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Computer games create addiction, especially to impressionable youngsters. It is the case of a run-away boy who was found half-dead in an I-cafe after having played (guess what) counter-strike for about 50 hours non-stop. Other than that, addicted kids end up with sleep disorder, nausea, bad eyesight and, as a long-term effect, social behaviour disorders.


Some people will take anything to the extreme though; the same could be said of films, tv, gyms, etc... More often than not it seems to be grown adults that are killing themselves by playing too long anyway, not kids.

I think its very much a case by case scenario. For the most part, there is probably nothing with letting kids play games. I've played games, without any real restrictions on type or content, since owning a C64 as a young child. I wouldn't say its had any real negative effects, though it could probably be given as a reason for my crappy eyesight <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> I feel I've turned out to be a pleasant, sociable and well rounded person - so what if my main pastimes are based around gaming? I'm not saying everyone should be playing a huge amount of games as some people, like your example Andrei, will take things too far. Parent's should, as with all activities, try and take an interest and at least monitor their kids (while young at any rate) to ensure they aren't going down this route.




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Posted by Mephs on Mon Jun 27th at 6:27pm 2005

I don't have a problem with kids playing even the most violent games. My niece used to enjoy playing vice city and she was bloody good at carjacking! But my sister always limits her to an hour of play, then she has to go and do something else. Its only a problem when computer games are ALL a kid does, and thats quite sad.




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Posted by satchmo on Mon Jun 27th at 6:32pm 2005

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Some people will take anything to the extreme though

Exactly. It's not just gaming. I am sure if you pick your nose for fifty hours straight, you're bond to get some serious health problem too.

I have always been a gamer, starting with Wolfenstein 3D. But I made it through high school, college, medical school with stellar grades, and it gives me a benign outlet after I get home from work.

I'll probably have to debate this with my soon-to-be wife. We've already talked about this in passing. She might be hesitant to allow our kids to play shooter games before they're ten years old.

But boy, I can already dream of the day when I play deathmatch with my son in a custom map he made for Half-Life 14.




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Posted by Andrei on Mon Jun 27th at 6:41pm 2005

I'm not saying they shouldn't play games at all, all i'm saying is that the parents should keep an eye on them cause, if left alone, most of them are capable of playing until their brains come out their noses and ears (tested theory).




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Posted by Leperous on Mon Jun 27th at 7:04pm 2005

Should you have been banned from playing Cannon Fodder when you were the same age, or from Doom II a bit later? If there are swearing/obscenity filters, then fine, let them play :/



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Posted by rival on Mon Jun 27th at 7:40pm 2005

any problems that arise within children from playing computer games are, at the root, the parents fault. they should be able to make the right decsions about their child. i think it is really depressing when people blame the game for what a child has done or has been done to. like here in the uk there was an incident when a kid was stabbed by his friend and the mother blamed GTA. she should have known what the kid could mentally and emotionnally handle

older kids should be able to make their own decsions as well and if they cant then they shouldnt be treated maturely. like me my parents would never make me go to school, or shower, or stop playing CSS i make the descion to stop myself and all kids my age should have the maturity and capabiltity to do so as well.





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Posted by Windows 98 on Mon Jun 27th at 8:08pm 2005

I think that little children playing games is no problem at all. Like said before its when they play to much. As a person addicted to CS I know from experience that getting up at 6:30am and playing till 3:30am the next day, well... that may be a problem if you do it too often. To prevent this parents should monitor playing time, keep it to like a 5-6 hour max time a day. Also, it pisses me off when parents start f**king flipping out when one dumbass kid screws up and brings a gun to school. Its the parents of that child that really messed up for letting such a ill minded kid play video games for 24 hours straight, and then having an internet predator tell them to kill everyone. . Anyway, kids and games are cool, just as long as if they dont own me at them.

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Posted by pepper on Mon Jun 27th at 8:22pm 2005

I played quiet a lot of games when i was young, it started with c64. And offcourse my parents also played games with me, though i never got them to play a game of deathmatch.

Soon i got addicted to flightsimulator, and now even my dad enjoys flying from time to time.





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Posted by Crono on Mon Jun 27th at 8:30pm 2005

I don't see a problem. The issue really stems from how the parents raise the kids. Even in the situations where some kid went and shot up a school and the parents said, "we raised him fine", doesn't mean anything. The problem is: you'll never know, since you can't go back and monitor the previous events throughout the child's life and see what you can link their behavior to, if anything. I mean, think about this for a second, children really aren't the most moronic individuals around, adults are. All those signs, laws, and rules in society are there because someone tried it, most likely, more then once.

The violent events with children, in all actuality, are pretty infrequent. When something DOES happen though, it gets covered by the media like no tomorrow.

Anyway, the corralation between violent homes and violent children are probably higher then the corrilation between loving homes with violent video games and violent children. But then again, you can never know for sure, since there's no way to really conduct any kind of study environment.


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Posted by satchmo on Mon Jun 27th at 8:37pm 2005

I actually believe that violent games serve as an effective and harmless avenue for people to vent their violent tendencies. If you take out your anger on a Combine by shooting him in the head with a shotgun, the act just might prevent other acts of violence in the real world.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel terrible everytime one of the rebels perish in Half-Life 2. I feel it's my responsibility to protect them.




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Posted by pepper on Mon Jun 27th at 8:56pm 2005

Your right there satchmo, but dont you think that those rebels are a tab bit stupid? I always wonder how they could have survived so long with only elia vance as a leader.



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