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Posted by BlisTer on Tue Jun 28th at 12:29pm 2005

i'm aware that most of you won't be as excited as me on this, but this is big guys.

After years of hard bargaining, (with a fully integrated engineering design already completed), the decision has finally fallen to build ITER in Cadarache, France (instead of Japan).

To be persuaded, Japan has demanded that they would provide the director general, have half of the staff meetings held in Japan, build the DEMO reactor, have europe pay 50% of the costs, etc..

For those who do not know what ITER is: its the future of electricity generation, based on nuclear plasma fusion. It's a huge project, involving Europe, USA, Japan, China, Russia and Korea. I'm not going to give a lecture about how it cancels out the negative effects we have today (environment-wise etc), just visit http://www.iter.org/ or for the agreement http://www.iter.org/index_newsroom.htm

I'm excited that it's beeing built closely to where i live, giving me more hope to be able to visit it one day (/dreams: work there one day;) ), but i'm mostly excited cause they can finally start building it.




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Posted by azelito on Tue Jun 28th at 2:20pm 2005

Yes. Nice.



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Posted by SaintGreg on Tue Jun 28th at 8:12pm 2005

Big fusion just keeps going bigger. Every new version they say they will hit unity fusion power out and they never do. I my opinion the 5 billion or whatever its going to cost to make ITER a reality would be infinitely better spent on smaller research projects, improving our understanding of the plasma dynamics. Then maybe we could attempt something bigger. But after all - what good is a fusion reactor if it needs to be the size of 5 aircraft carriers? It's not very practical, and no actual electrical power company would build one. Industry is smarter than the government in that regard



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Posted by BlisTer on Wed Jun 29th at 12:12am 2005

? quoting azelito
Yes. Nice.

use blue for irony

? quoting SaintGreg
Every new version they say they will hit unity fusion power out and they never do.

the last "big" reactor, JET, was built in 1983, and they never exlaimed they would reach a buring plasma.

? quoting SaintGreg
I my opinion the 5 billion or whatever its going to cost to make ITER a reality would be infinitely better spent on smaller research projects, improving our understanding of the plasma dynamics. Then maybe we could attempt something bigger.

JET, among other smaller reactors were exactly for that purpose; understanding the plasma dynamics. if they didnt understand it enough at this point, they would have never agreed to spend 12billion euros on ITER.

? quoting SaintGreg
But after all - what good is a fusion reactor if it needs to be the size of 5 aircraft carriers? It's not very practical, and no actual electrical power company would build one. Industry is smarter than the government in that regard

The site requirement is 100m x 100m , the actual plant is much smaller. And this is not an industrial-scaled reactor, only the step towards designing an industrial reactor. And ofcourse it would be way too expensive now. But with energy demand increasing, nuclear fission being stepped away from, and competitive oil and gas reserves only lasting for, what, 70 years, fusion will become competitive once it has matured.




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Jun 29th at 1:48am 2005

Thank God. I've been following this for years, and I'm damn pleased to see them finaly pick a site!


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Posted by SaintGreg on Wed Jun 29th at 3:27am 2005

I haven't really been following fusion as of late, but I wonder how inertial confinement research is going? I always thought that was certainly the more promising route for power generation. I know sandia planned to create a target container to be driven with their z-pinch but I don't know what ever happened to that. All that z-pinchy goodness. Mmmmmmm.

Either way, not all fusion schemes have been explored on the small scale enough to (IMO) be put to that large of a scale. Stellerators, spheromaks, spherical torus, etc etc. Pretty much the biggest of the big has always been the plain jane tokamak, even though it seems like the newer (smaller) projects have seemingly been more sucessful, or at least have more potential.



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