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Posted by satchmo on Fri Jul 8th at 1:50pm 2005

Perhaps we should rethink the concept of terrorism. These people are labeled terrorists because we believe their goal is to spread terror. However, what they are best at is not spreading terror, but in spreading hatred and anger.

Take any comment in this thread, for example. Did we show any fear towards the terrorists? Our first reaction is no doubt anger and disbelieve, immediately followed by hatred towards people in those countries and religion other than ours. We want to blame people, hold individuals accountable, whether we'll ever get those terrorists is unknown. But we want someone to pay for the heinous act.

So what I am getting at is that we should do our best and try not to fall into their trap. We should not aid their goal of spreading hatred, and make our humanity an even worse entity.



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Posted by Windows 98 on Fri Jul 8th at 3:46pm 2005

What the hell is going on. Are you guys aware your planning out ways to destroy the hoover dam? Your the terrorists. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">



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Posted by G4MER on Fri Jul 8th at 6:06pm 2005

Humm I went on a tour of the hoover dam when I was a teenager.. many many moons ago.. If they approach it from the lake side its all open.. they just have to hit the very top of it to break it up.. Or they could dive down on it from above the canyon.. it would not be as hard as you think.

There is also tours of the dam, and I bet someone could stap themselfs with enough explosives to do some damage to something.. but then again the tour was mostly though mountain tunnels carved many years ago and the engine room with the big turbines etc.

Yeah Windows I guess we are.. heh.. Sorry about straying off topic.

But pepper is right about something.. the terror is just a few seconds long thier actions take place, then afterword we all bad together and fix the damage, help one another out, and get stronger. They only build us stronger, tougher, and make thier people more hated.. mabe thats the goal here..




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Posted by Forceflow on Fri Jul 8th at 6:08pm 2005

I really d? feel sorry about the explosions in London, all my thoughts go out to the families involved, but something about this whole Hunt For Terrorists thing bothers me.

As soon as something blows up, be it a suicide-terrorist, car bomb or backpack explosives, the first thing people do is trying to link the terrible events to Al-Quada.

No problems with that, but for the media, no other terroristic organisation exists. About a year ago, a car bomb explodes in a city in Nigeria (a region where no/little AQ-activity had been noticed), and the first thing I hear on the news is how they are linking the explosion to Al Quada. I believe the international community is pinning herself down on one enemy, which is not good.

Also, every group of terrorists with twisted muslim-like ideas will be labeled as having a connection to Al Quaida, like there are no other groups of sicko's. Most of the "connection"-proof is an obscure message on a website, at the moment. Of course, what's better than telling the world you're part of organisation that hit the WTC and the American embassy ? And sure, the internet is always right.

The actual terrorist movement isn't going to tell the press they don't know you, that would be stupid. Now they have free advertisement for their silly ideas. Look how organized we are. We've got people everywhere. Madrid, London, Istanbul. You can't run, you can't hide !

Other people profit of this 'succes'. In the hours after the explosions, the embassies of Germany and Italy recieved phone calls and e-mails containing weird arabic characters. You can raise the alarm level in a country by using a public terminal, a mailbox and some good timing, go figure. I really don't believe in a widespread, synchronized attack performed by any terrorist movement.

You can scare the **** out of most people these days by using "Al Quaida"., and that's because I think the press is simplifying a lot. Stories about thousands of different little terrorist cells don't sell. They all want cover stories containing the name of the world's worst fear, a group of wacky psycho's mis-interpreting a holy book, with henchmen all over the world's biggest cities.

Do not understand me wrong, I just hate to believe the simple stuff the press and the American Government is serving me.



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Posted by French Toast on Fri Jul 8th at 6:11pm 2005

MoneyShot, you must have gone awhile ago. My family went on vacation there just last year, and their security is tight. We got our RV searched 2 miles before the damn, then we got personally checked before we got on the damn (right infront of it I mean)

When we were there, they were also talking about a bypass they're building, so that no cars will be allowed on the damn anymore.

Yeah, and there were cops everywhere, it was pretty tight. Lots of metal detectors and crap.




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Posted by Fjorn on Fri Jul 8th at 6:19pm 2005

While this is a quote from a movie, its is very valid in real life

fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering



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Posted by DrGlass on Fri Jul 8th at 7:27pm 2005

? quoting Forceflow

As soon as something blows up, be it a suicide-terrorist, car bomb or backpack explosives, the first thing people do is trying to link the terrible events to Al-Quada.

Thats the thing, people need to blame some one for everything. We want an enemy to rally against, and its hard to rally against an enemy that has no territory, concrete leaders, or solid purpose. We can never beat terrorist, I mean hell... the founding fathers were terrorist. As long as there is a big power there will always be something nipping at it.

Thats why the hunt of Osama is a waist. If you cut off Al-Quada's head a hunderd more will pop out. I think that is what really scares people. This isn't like a second Hitler, we cant just storm a city and say we beat the bad guys.

Then on the other hand we cant bend to their demands or every ratical with a bomb will get their way.

and pepper is right, while it is sad that 38+ people died... think of all the death all over the world. I mean Iraq has terrorist bombings every week killing 10 to 200 each time, but they just get a 30 second segment on mid-day CNN. The same thing happens in a 1st world country and it seems like those who died were far more innocent than the woman, children, police, people of Iraq...





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Posted by rival on Fri Jul 8th at 11:53pm 2005

? quoting satchmo
This is an email from the husband of an acquaintance in London:

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Its the Russell square bus you'll see it on TV - it had no roof or side.

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Russel Square? i thought it was Tavistock.

Anyway that is an amazing story, he was damn lucky.

id like to know if its just an ordinary bomb or a suicide bomber. i think it would be just an ordinary bomb i dont know a suicide bomber seems hard to believe.





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Posted by wil5on on Sat Jul 9th at 1:05am 2005

? quoting MoneyShot
If they approach it from the lake side its all open.. they just have to hit the very top of it to break it up..

Sorry for staying off-topic, but that wouldnt do much. Like I said, go watch dambusters.

London, Madrid, New York, Tokyo, Bali show that a terrorist attack can happen anywhere, anytime without warning. I'm not going to worry about getting killed by a terrorist, any more than I'd worry about getting hit by a car, or any number of other random things that can kill you. None of these terrorist attacks made me feel threatened, because if I were to be killed in a bombing, I wouldnt get any warning anyway.

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Posted by Pegs on Sat Jul 9th at 11:03am 2005

I spoke to one of my mates on EQ2 when it happened. not quite so lucky as that person from the email but still, very short not quite to sweet id say.

Talking to me very Shaken (ahem...) He basicaly said that he got of the train about 10 minutes before it blew up in London.

I realy dont see the point in terrorism, just a bunch of f***ing wacko's if you ask me.




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Posted by fishy on Sat Jul 9th at 2:30pm 2005

possibly a little insensitive to say this right now, but twice as many people are killed on Britains roads every week. why is there no international condemnation of cars drivers? why is Henry Bin Ford not villified?

i think it's a point to remember when we hear the commentators talking about muslims and terrorists in the same sentence.




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Posted by ReNo on Sat Jul 9th at 2:55pm 2005

I don't really get your comparison fishy. Car drivers (at least the OVERWHELMING majority of them) don't mean to cause accidents or kill people. Terrorists who plant bombs on trains and buses clearly do. I totally agree that the condemnation of muslims by many people due to association with terrorism is horrible and wrong, but the first paragraph just doesn't mean anything to me.




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Posted by fishy on Sat Jul 9th at 4:25pm 2005

the comparison is that inoccent people die.




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Posted by Myrk- on Sat Jul 9th at 4:51pm 2005

Nah Fishy, you've missed Reno's point. One is an accident, one is purposeful. The terrorists aren't sitting there going "oh dear! I didn't mean to plant the bomb to kill people!"

I think your comparison only works for the crazy people who do road rage killings...




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Posted by fishy on Sat Jul 9th at 5:38pm 2005

? quoting Myrk-
Nah Fishy, you've missed Reno's point. One is an accident, one is purposeful.

myrk, believe it or not, i actually knew that one is accidental and one is on purpose when i made my point about Henry Ford, so let me put it this way. what death would you pick for one of your nearest and dearest. death by suicide bomber or death by roadkill?

personally, i'd go for the suicide bomber.




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Posted by Myrk- on Sat Jul 9th at 5:46pm 2005

Ok, it was just a very strange comparison which obviously had a meaning that maybe wasn't conveyed aswell as it could have been (both Reno and I misunderstood it, I think).

Your point is more a question of pride and revenge I think.




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Posted by fishy on Sun Jul 10th at 1:04am 2005

the original point was that 'rag heads', as someone so eloquently put it, shouldn't all be labled as al qaida activists. at least no more than henry ford should be blamed for causing every car crash ever.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Jul 10th at 3:00am 2005

? quoting satchmo

I think world peace is impossible, as long as we have religion.

Wiser words are rarely spoken.


? quoting ReNo
Enough of the "rag heads" s**t - no need for any of that Myrk.

I concur.. Shame on you Myrk. :/

? quoting mazemaster
The hoover dam is f**king STRONG. I doubt a plane could take it out.

If I had the notion and nothing else to lose, I could do it.. I was an Engineer in the Army long enough to know where and how.. The dam would be standing but structurally unsound when I was through. It would all depend on how big the plane was, and its cargo.. IE, properly prepared cargo.





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Posted by French Toast on Sun Jul 10th at 3:19am 2005

We just need someone like John Lennon back. What a great guy. Right now, he'd be kicking Geldof's ass at running a Live 8 show type thing, while stopping terrorism, while stopping global warming, while beating the s**t outa Bush.

And more...

EDIT: Oh yeah, first thing though, he'd come to his senses and place a mob hit on Yoko Ono.




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Posted by fishy on Sun Jul 10th at 3:32am 2005

? quoting Orpheus
? quoting satchmo

I think world peace is impossible, as long as we have religion.

Wiser words are rarely spoken.

just goes to show that even the oldest of cliches can be utter bollocks. or do people really think that hatred needs religion before it can operate?




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