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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by ReNo on Wed Jul 13th at 1:34pm 2005


I know we've had a couple of digi cam related threads in the past, but times move on and I'm sure they are pretty outdated by now. Anybody got any that they are particularly happy/unhappy with?

I'm looking to spend about ?250 on a digital camera (it will be my first) and a few basic accessories such as extra memory/batteries, mainly for using to take reference pictures and perhaps a little bit of texture work. The one I have my eye on just now is the Fujifilm Finepix S5500 (also known as the S5100 in some countries), which seems like a bargain at ?175. Its a 4MP camera, and has a 10x optical zoom as well as a host of manual controls.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Fujifilm/fuji_finepixs5100z.asp






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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by RaPtoR on Wed Jul 13th at 2:40pm 2005


Im not into digital cameras super much but i can give you some tips from a good friend of mine:

I can say that your choise of megapixels is great.
4-5 MP is the best. Anything less will give you bad quality, and anyting above will give a "grainy" picture. 10x zoom is more than sufficent, you will probalby not even use that high zoom anyway unless you might be photoraphing birds (etc..) with a tripod.



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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by Myrk- on Wed Jul 13th at 3:12pm 2005


Get an SLR type, well not an actual SLR type, but one thats the same shape. I have a fake SLR type camera, and I can fit other interesting lenses onto it...


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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by ReNo on Wed Jul 13th at 3:17pm 2005


Did you take a look at the one I'm considering Myrk? It fairly closely mirrors the appearance and style of an SLR. Actual SLR's are definately out of my price range, but I do like the style <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">






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Posted by G4MER on Wed Jul 13th at 5:06pm 2005


Reno, that fujifilm camera is nice man.. good specs.

I have been drooling over a Cannon EOS Reble SLR Digital camera for months now.. only problem is they are around a grand US to buy.

I have however found that the Sony cybershot does a fantastic job, only thing no exchangable lenses. But its small... goes anywhere, can get really sharp images of them secret documents.. and it has a great macro for getting up close on small objects like Tabletop Miniatures.

SONY CYBERSHOT LINK

CYBERSHOT 7.2mp

CANNON REBEL

Im leaning more towards the Cybershot now.. its a good all around camera and easy to use.. when I get more situated to where I can afford the digital SLR, and get lenses for it.. I will get the SLR camera.




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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by satchmo on Wed Jul 13th at 5:10pm 2005


My brother owns a Cannon Rebel digital. Yes, he did pay a grand for it, but he loves it.


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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by DrGlass on Wed Jul 13th at 5:57pm 2005


The rebel is down to [ulr=http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Canon_EOS_350D_Digital_Rebel_XT_Digital_SLR_Camera_Kit_w_18_55mm_Lens_Black,__7139451/search=digital+SLR]$800[/url] I am going to buy this sucker once I have the cash, if you really want to get into photography (that includes textures) this is a great first step.

If that too much, I dont know much about point and shoot. I've used a Canon supershot S30 3.2mp for almost 4 years. Here is what I think you should look for in a good point and shoot.

  • build, get a nice strong metal camera that will take a beating. Your going to have this in your pocket alot, so you want something that can stand a few knocks.
  • Battery life, not only life, but recharge time and battery alternatives. Look for a camera with a long living battery pack that can also hold a few AAA for emergancy use.
  • Turn on speed, my Canon took 3-5 seconds to turn on and that felt like a life time. This is something you'll have on hand but not always on. When that once in a life time shot rolls by you'll want to whip that sucker out and fire it up ASAP.
  • 3-4 mp, dont waist your money on anything more. Unless you plan to make large prints (anywhere above 3x5) you dont need more than 3 mega pixels.
  • Good picture modes, Auto mode is standard but make sure you also get a manual setting. Look for M, P, AV, TV, & Auto modes, dont worry about those other modes, like landscape, night, etc. I never use them and you wont need to if you learn some basics about photography.
  • Auto Focus, fast (and accurate) auto focus is a must! It goes hand and hand with fast start up, you dont want to wait forever to focus.

Thats about it, my camera uses Compact Flash cards and I think this is the best storage. Your camera will come with a small card, so go out and get a 512mb card at the least. They can hold about 200 max quality or almost 600 medium qulity pictures. Stay away from micro-drives, you dont want a small card with moving parts in it. My cousin said that he lost 2 micro drives by setting them down too hard on a table. CF are strong, small but not too small that you'll lose them. If you want more pictures buy more cards rather than larger cards, all memory can get messed up and it much better to have 4 512mb cards and lose one than lose one 2 gb card.

hope that helps.





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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by ReNo on Wed Jul 13th at 6:29pm 2005


Thanks for all the advice guys, especially that fair host of knowledge DrGlass <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> I don't think I'm the type to particularly carry my camera everywhere I go, but more the sort who would go out with the particular intention of taking some pictures on a nice day or whatever. For that reason I'm not hugely concerned about the camera's size, focus speed, turn on speed, or rigidity. Obviously I'm not gonna be annoyed if the camera has these things, but they aren't top of my priorities.

I've read in reviews that the camera I linked to has good battery life (partially due to having a pretty tiny LCD screen) and uses AA's...for better or worse. It also apparently has lots of mode variety to let you get a bit creative, though most of it was a bit too complex for my current knowledge of photography to grasp <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> One of the possible downsides with it was uses XD cards, which seem to be a fair bit more pricey than other competing standards, but its only a one off investment most likely anyway, and its only ?15 or so more expensive for the same capacity.

I had a look at that Canon Digital Rebel while I was researching some cameras, but unfortunately it is definately out of my price range. ?250 is the most I'm willing to spend, and its over ?500 <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">






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Posted by DrGlass on Wed Jul 13th at 6:59pm 2005


In that case I would go with a larger camera. Dont shop for a brand new camera, look for some older brands they will be cheaper becuase they wont be as small or fast. So you can get better quality and more options out of it.

I'd sell you my camera if shipping was possible.

Check out a generation or so back, the only thing that really changes is size and speed, so it thats not a problem for you, you can save your money and get higher mp (note that you'll need a larger card if you get a higher mp camera, becuae if you dont shoot and max size your just waisting the extra mp)





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Posted by G4MER on Wed Jul 13th at 7:40pm 2005


I take my camera with me everywhere I go, thats why I like the compact size.. but I want to get some great scenic shots, that I see on Webshots all the time.. my little olympus does ok.. but it could be so much better..

My current camera is an olympus D-380.




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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by ReNo on Wed Jul 13th at 9:36pm 2005


I don't like buying things like this second hand to be honest. The camera I'm looking at (the Fujifilm Finepix S5500) isn't OLD but isn't a new model. Its RRP is around ?230, but I can get it for ?175 online which seems like a good bargain. Reviews said it is great for its price, so considering I'm saving on that price, I think its probably a good choice. As I'm not intending on making prints, I don't think I'll need any higher than the 4MP it offers.






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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by rival on Wed Jul 13th at 9:40pm 2005


my only advice reno is get one with like a four year warranty then break it a few months before the warranty expires and hopefully by then they would have stopped making that typ of camera and have to give you a brand new one!





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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by Campaignjunkie on Wed Jul 13th at 10:20pm 2005


http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Pentax/pentax_optios5i.asp

This is mine. Very small / compact but still a good amount of manual features for a "consumer market" camera. Basically it's so I won't look like TOO much of a freak when I'm taking pictures of the floor tile at a mall for texture reference. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">




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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by Orpheus on Wed Jul 13th at 10:49pm 2005


Outdated? Perhaps but I am proud to own this baby..



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Posted by Dark Tree on Thu Jul 14th at 1:17am 2005


That's funny...I just stumbled upon this thread right after I spent an hour looking the Internet for the next camera I want to buy. I take lots of pictures of bugs and such and love making scenery panoramas.

I am thinking seriously in saving up to by the Canon PowerShot S2 IS. It is a digital SLR camera. Around $400 USD. It has what I need:

Decent amount of MegaPixels (5)
Records up to 640x320 video w/ sound (limited only by card space)
Image stabilization (semi-important)
Fully manual controls over flash, focus, etc (very important)
12x Optical Zoom
One of the highest battery lifes in the industry
Flip-out LCD screen

? quoting RaPtoR
I can say that your choice of megapixels is great. 4-5 MP is the best. Anything less will give you bad quality, and anything above will give a "grainy" picture.

Anything above 5MP is grainy? Maybe you are thinking of the ISO amount. ISO amount is exposure you adjust usually for night shots. The higher ISO setting you have it at (200, 400, 800, 1,600) the more detail you might get out of a night shot...but adding grain. As for more megapixels=more grain....that isn't true.

The only reason you would get more grain out of a 7MP camera and not a 5MP camera, is because that 7MP ISN'T REALLY A 7MP camera. Some cameras are labeled 6MP cameras, when really, they are just 4MP cameras. They are allowed to say 6, because the camera takes the 4MP shot, then interpolates the rest, giving the illusion of a bigger, higher quality picture, when in reality, it is just blown up with a smart censor.

Granted, a 4MP camera with image-enlarging-interpolation is better than a 4MP w/ out interpolation, but it is still no camera with 5 or 6 effective megapixels. Research the camera before you buy it (and don't go to its homepage: Kodak, Canon, Fuji, etc., unless you just need basic general info.)





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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by Myrk- on Thu Jul 14th at 10:04am 2005


Whoops didn't notice the link. Well I've got the Fujifilm S5000! It's a pretty good camera, but for todays specs of other cameras its a little overpriced. Also its not actually 6mp, its 3mp and can double the image up, so take into account if it says something about 6mp theoretical or something, your paying for 3mp. Good camera though, I've hit it and dropped it and everything, and it still works...

If anyone wants to buy an original SLR I'm selling one of mine-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7530869859&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1




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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by ReNo on Thu Jul 14th at 11:08am 2005


Yeah, the S5500 (the updated version) is an actual 4MP camera rather than interpolated higher res, like your one. There are a few other improvements on what reviews said were sort of niggling issues, but otherwise its quite similar I believe. Good to hear its fairly rugged, as the design hasn't really changed so this version probably still is. Its always made out to be great for its price range (?230 retail it seems), but since I can get it for ?175 I think its more "bargain" than "overpriced" I'll most likely order it in the next few days.






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Posted by fishy on Thu Jul 14th at 12:20pm 2005


do the S5100 and S5500 not have optical zooms? i can see digital zoom in the list of features, but digital zoom sucks donkey testicles.




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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jul 14th at 12:33pm 2005


I would like clarification on the "grainy" comment.

Perhaps I am such a n00b, but my camera takes perfect pictures at all Mega-Pixels (1.2-5.0).

Please clarify "grainy"





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Re: Digital Cameras
Posted by ReNo on Thu Jul 14th at 1:38pm 2005


The S5100/S5500 has 10x optical zoom and, I believe, 3.6x digital zoom.







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